Moving Toward Sanctuary City Status - public opinion ignored (Representatives, illegal immigrants, laws)

[goodheathen]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/los...ity-ordinance/

I guarantee that, despite how the media depicts it, the general public doesn't see that as a good thing (aside from extreme liberals and people who have illegal immigrants as kin), given the problems with crime and overcrowding that LA has. Look at the anger at the homelessness problem and the backlash against the hands-off district attorney. But people around here also are very concerned with reputation and seeming to be 'good' folks. Organizing is frowned upon here in City-Data, but if you don't want this city to be a sanctuary city, complain about it here and wherever else you feel safe doing so and let your representatives know your position.

[goodheathen]

One of the local news broadcasts since did a segment that included some public objection to the motion. Maybe the media will be fair this time just because controversy is better for ratings. However, I doubt that will sway local politicians.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

LA City is mostly Latino. What do you expect? They are not going to boot their own kin. The county needs to step in. If that is not enough then the State, and even after that the Federal Govt.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

LA City is mostly Latino. What do you expect? They are not going to boot their own kin. The county needs to step in. If that is not enough then the State, and even after that the Federal Govt.

Your point sounds right on the surface, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. People of Latin-American ancestry aren't a monolith, even the Mexican-Americans aren't. Many Mexican-American families in Los Angeles came here legally 50 or more years ago and probably are about as disdainful of illegal immigrants as white and black residents are. Like I said, most people in Los Angeles don't want it to be a sanctuary city, and it's inappropriate for city leaders to do that against our wishes. Maybe the county could step in, but does it even have power over the city? Newsom would not do anything, because his default mode is to pander. Could Los Angeles residents sue the city? At the very least, that type of measure should not go into effect without ballot approval.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Your point sounds right on the surface, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. People of Latin-American ancestry aren't a monolith, even the Mexican-Americans aren't. Many Mexican-American families in Los Angeles came here legally 50 or more years ago and probably are about as disdainful of illegal immigrants as white and black residents are. Like I said, most people in Los Angeles don't want it to be a sanctuary city, and it's inappropriate for city leaders to do that against our wishes. Maybe the county could step in, but does it even have power over the city? Newsom would not do anything, because his default mode is to pander. Could Los Angeles residents sue the city? At the very least, that type of measure should not go into effect without ballot approval.

May I refer you to this topic?

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ille...nts-bused.html

Also, most Latinos vote Democrat. Why do you suppose that is? They want amnesty for their ethnic group here illegally.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

May I refer you to this topic?

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ille...nts-bused.html

Also, most Latinos vote Democrat. Why do you suppose that is? They want amnesty for their ethnic group here illegally.

You just made that up. The voting preference precedes serious political support for amnesty.

I made this thread about a Los Angeles situation that needs attention and action, not for you to rant against illegal immigrants.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

You just made that up. The voting preference precedes serious political support for amnesty.

I made this thread about a Los Angeles situation that needs attention and action, not for you to rant against illegal immigrants.

This is the illegal immigration forum so I'll rant about these law breakers all I want!

I made nothing up. Here's a link to how most Hispanics feel about illegal immigration. They also mostly vote for the Democrats because they are the ones promising amnesty for their ethnic group here illegally.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...panics-in-u-s/

[goodheathen]

No, again, you're making that up. The article you posted doesn't indicate why they vote Democrat and in fact contradicts the idea that all Latinos support each other.
"At the same time, most Hispanics (56%) say the U.S. does not have a responsibility to take in asylum seekers from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. About 39% say the U.S. does have this responsibility."

Which gives me hope that in Los Angeles many Latinos don't want this to be a sanctuary city, although most of them might oppose some types of raids.

Just like I don't want here (my city) to be a sanctuary city, I don't want here (my thread) a sanctuary for your misguided, somewhat self-defeating rants. Stop now.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Your point sounds right on the surface, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. People of Latin-American ancestry aren't a monolith, even the Mexican-Americans aren't. Many Mexican-American families in Los Angeles came here legally 50 or more years ago and probably are about as disdainful of illegal immigrants as white and black residents are. Like I said, most people in Los Angeles don't want it to be a sanctuary city, and it's inappropriate for city leaders to do that against our wishes. Maybe the county could step in, but does it even have power over the city? Newsom would not do anything, because his default mode is to pander. Could Los Angeles residents sue the city? At the very least, that type of measure should not go into effect without ballot approval.

There does not need to be a monolith. It does not need to 99%, or 90%, or even 50/50. As long as it is a plurality, the damage will be done. And that plurality would not exist if not for the rest of them was there to hide behind, and supply bodies too.

If only we had always enforced our immigration laws tightly, "minority" wont even be a word barely. We all be assimilated, and no social stratification. There will be no underclass, no need to actively keep track of demographics.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

No, again, you're making that up. The article you posted doesn't indicate why they vote Democrat and in fact contradicts the idea that all Latinos support each other.
"At the same time, most Hispanics (56%) say the U.S. does not have a responsibility to take in asylum seekers from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. About 39% say the U.S. does have this responsibility."

Which gives me hope that in Los Angeles many Latinos don't want this to be a sanctuary city, although most of them might oppose some types of raids.

Just like I don't want here (my city) to be a sanctuary city, I don't want here (my thread) a sanctuary for your misguided, somewhat self-defeating rants. Stop now.

Why does it need to indicate it? Just put two and two together. They know what the Democrats are all about. If they truly oppose Dem policies, why vote Dem? If they vote for Democrats, they are supporting Democrats. Or even worse is to despise some policies but are completely dependent on other policies. That is being a parasite.