Pro-Amnesty leaders starting to think Amnesty will not come (born, illegals, laws)

[Quirky Cynick]

The following translated excerpts are examples of what Hispanic leaders who attended the NCLR conference think about the possibility of them getting an Amnesty bill passed in 2009.

FROM:
http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=3&schid=278&secid=12134&cid=159 9716&pagenum=2

Teodoro Aguiluz, Executive director of the Center for Central american Resources (CARECEN), says: "To be honest, we do not believe that its going to be easy to have an immigration reform in 2009. We will not get what the candidates are presenting".

And adds: "Perhaps some laws will be approved, like the Dream act or Agjobs. But we do not believe that its going to be easy. And even if it were, its going to take time before that advances the debate. And in order to advance the debate, we need ti take to the streets, go to Congress, write to our congressmen, senators, and we tell them what we want and how we want it".

On the dates set by the candidates for the debate, Aguiluz indicated that the time limit from Obama (to push for reform during the first year of his administration) "gives us time to require the fullfilment of his word, time for us to move us and time to pressure for objective answers".

... in 2009 there will be other important issues as important as immigration reform, that disturb millions of Americans. "The war, unemployment, the economy, the price of fuel, the cost of food, Iran…. All that will defer the debate. But we will keep up the pressure".

[blacknight04]

What will some of you guys do if it happens? Will there be a civil war?

[Quirky Cynick]

One never knows do they? I guess we will all have to wait and see.

[NCN]

Nobama and no amnesty! We have had amnesty and it brought more crime. The pressure is already on and the politicians see it. The pressure is to get rid of the illegals and close the border. Not necessarily in that order.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

What will some of you guys do if it happens? Will there be a civil war?

There may indeed be a civil war----------in Mexico.

Think about it: that country facing the very real prospect of taking back in possibly 20 million of their citizens (including their US born Anchor Babies).....something is likely to give SOB.

As for the USA: barring a sudden/severe collapse in our economy, I think not.

[Convert 54]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

What will some of you guys do if it happens? Will there be a civil war?

Si.............

[malamute]

What's really ironic -- an illegal here was saying he didn't really think amnesty would be good because of all the people who would then come and he thinks Honduarans and Guatemalans would work cheaper than Mexicans and that he and other Mexicans could be replaced. He already realizes that wage increases aren't given to Mexican illegals because others will gladly work for whatever he gets, but he said Mexicans have standards on what they'll accept for pay.

It's pretty bad when illegals themselves begin to think that open borders really isn't the greatest policy and that bringing in countless more cheap workers can hurt them but the open borders advocates here are too dense to see it.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by malamute

What's really ironic -- an illegal here was saying he didn't really think amnesty would be good because of all the people who would then come and he thinks Honduarans and Guatemalans would work cheaper than Mexicans and that he and other Mexicans could be replaced. He already realizes that wage increases aren't given to Mexican illegals because others will gladly work for whatever he gets, but he said Mexicans have standards on what they'll accept for pay.

It's pretty bad when illegals themselves begin to think that open borders really isn't the greatest policy and that bringing in countless more cheap workers can hurt them but the open borders advocates here are too dense to see it.

That I believe:

Prior to the crackdown here in Arizona; certain more dangerous construction jobs like roofing etc. were considered to be Guatemalan work------most Mexicans refused to do them.

Note: I am not sure how many of either nationality were legal or illegal; but, the 'pecking order' almost smelled of racism-------never mind that most Guats and Mexicans from Chiapas are the same ethnicity.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

That I believe:

Prior to the crackdown here in Arizona; certain more dangerous construction jobs like roofing etc. were considered to be Guatemalan work------most Mexicans refused to do them.

Note: I am not sure how many of either nationality were legal or illegal; but, the 'pecking order' almost smelled of racism-------never mind that most Guats and Mexicans from Chiapas are the same ethnicity.

I don't think it's racism. I think Mexicans believe they are a special group, that they should have unlimited access to the USA but most realize that that privilege cannot feasilby be extended to the entire world, that if Haitians and Zimbabweans were given the same unlimited rights to come here that they wouldn't cut into jobs and wages.

Or maybe that is racism. They believe that the Mexican race has some special right to break the laws of the USA and then be rewarded for doing so.

The only people though I think that believe in unlimited immigration and that all the impoverished people of the world can move in and be provided a very nice life here either by working or by welfare are the open borders advocates that aren't actually illegals themselves.

There are of course the Mexico-firsters who want unlimited immigration from Mexico only, who believe the USA can take in whatever number of Mexicans that want to move here and be provided jobs and/or welfare to improve their lives.

[malamute]

I left out the other side of -- the open borders advocates which are the CEOs of big globaliist corporations who believe they should have unlimited and the cheapest possible labor so that they can make a quick buck.