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View Poll Results: What to do if Mexico implodes........which is growing more likely
Close/lock our southern border no matter what 25 80.65%
Open up the border and set up refugee camps in the US border states within 50 miles of Mx 2 6.45%
Do a preemptive invasion of Mexico to quell the revolt 1 3.23%
Do nothing 3 9.68%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-10-2008, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I am asking a serious question here: if indeed Mexico were to really start disintegrating; what should the USA do?
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Old 08-10-2008, 06:56 PM
 
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Mexico has survived a lot more turbulent times than these, its not really something to discuss as a serious possibility.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:06 PM
 
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Mexico has survived a lot more turbulent times than these, its not really something to discuss as a serious possibility.
I take it you're the resident expert on all things Mexican? When drug cartels are murdering thousands of people, including police and news journalists, you claim they've been through 'more turbulent times than these'?

When, pray tell?
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:26 PM
 
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I take it you're the resident expert on all things Mexican? When drug cartels are murdering thousands of people, including police and news journalists, you claim they've been through 'more turbulent times than these'?

When, pray tell?
I never claimed to be resident expert on all things Mexican, merely a student of the region, and my understanding still lags far behind experts of the country.

That said, the Mexican Revolution saw far worse unrest, violence and social upheaval than the current situation. And that took place largely right up against America's backyard.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:26 PM
 
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If civil wars in other countries are any indicator, we could expect a massive displacement of people as refugees flee from population centers. There will be those who would attempt to cross the US/Mexico border for safety.

Would we allow these refugees to enter the United States? Probably not. Most countries bordering another country mired in a civil war do not. There would be a lot of refugee camps setup throughout Mexico - some of them along the border.

There will be groups in this country demanding we open the border for humanitarian reasons. There will be those who demand that we keep it closed for the same reasons. Is border control, short of shooting refugees, a realistic possibility under these circumstances when during relatively peaceful times it is so porous?

Civil war in Mexico would be disaster for the US.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:35 PM
 
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If civil wars in other countries are any indicator, we could expect a massive displacement of people as refugees flee from population centers. There will be those who would attempt to cross the US/Mexico border for safety.

Would we allow these refugees to enter the United States? Probably not. Most countries bordering another country mired in a civil war do not. There would be a lot of refugee camps setup throughout Mexico - some of them along the border.

There will be groups in this country demanding we open the border for humanitarian reasons. There will be those who demand that we keep it closed for the same reasons. Is border control, short of shooting refugees, a realistic possibility under these circumstances when during relatively peaceful times it is so porous?

Civil war in Mexico would be disaster for the US.
I disagree; a pain in the ass for at least the 4 border states 50-100 miles from the Mx border but a full on disaster I doubt.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:41 PM
 
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I disagree; a pain in the ass for at least the 4 border states 50-100 miles from the Mx border but a full on disaster I doubt.
I'm probably exaggerating. Let's just say it would suck.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:41 PM
 
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I never claimed to be resident expert on all things Mexican, merely a student of the region, and my understanding still lags far behind experts of the country.

That said, the Mexican Revolution saw far worse unrest, violence and social upheaval than the current situation. And that took place largely right up against America's backyard.
Mexican Revolution of 1910 did have a small effect on New Mexico...........too, Mx's population back then was maybe 20 million people, tops.

Remember too that during WW I Mexico attempted to secure help from Germany etc. to take back our Southwest.

The Zimmermann Telegram could have been disasterous for Mexico had it tried to join Germany against the USA.
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:03 PM
 
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Mexican Revolution of 1910 did have a small effect on New Mexico...........too, Mx's population back then was maybe 20 million people, tops.

Remember too that during WW I Mexico attempted to secure help from Germany etc. to take back our Southwest.

The Zimmermann Telegram could have been disasterous for Mexico had it tried to join Germany against the USA.
IIRC the Zimmerman note was a German attempt to get Mexico to enter the war against the US, not the other way around.

And indeed, the Mexican Revolution had its philosophical center in none other than El Paso. The history the border region at this time is incredibly fascinating, given the tension between the two countries.
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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I never claimed to be resident expert on all things Mexican, merely a student of the region, and my understanding still lags far behind experts of the country.

That said, the Mexican Revolution saw far worse unrest, violence and social upheaval than the current situation. And that took place largely right up against America's backyard.
Sort of -- we did have Pancho Villa running over to the USA a time or two but in those days the border towns were tiny, northern Mexican states were not very populated.

I think the worst thing we can do as far as building stability and moderation is allow countless "refugees" because they are the exact people needed to do the rebuilding and stabilizing.

In fact, I think that's much of Mexico's problem now. As villages and towns empty out of their working age people, those people who want a better life, the vacuum that is created is leading to much of this instability. Not just that but the children left behind when their parents go off to work 3000 miles away, are growing up and there's nothing much for them so they are easily recruited by gangs.

This is different than the days of the Revolution because the people don't seem to be doing much about what seems to be a lot of senseless killing. At least the Revolution was about political reasons.
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