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Old 12-04-2013, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JDubsMom View Post
Still, it seems strange that Rep. Bilbray would sponsor such a bill, given that his own mother was a non-citizen. But Bilbray carved out an exception that would conveniently apply to him -- that a child born in the U.S. is considered a citizen so long as at least one parent is (1) a citizen; (2) a lawful permanent resident; or (3) in active military service. Bilbray's father was a U.S. citizen.

Even if Bilbray could manage to get his bill enacted into law, it would almost certainly be struck down as unconstitutional. The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside." It would take a constitutional amendment, not a mere act of Congress, to deny citizenship to those born on U.S. soil.

Bilbray claims that his bill is simply advancing an interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment -- as Congress is permitted to do under its power to enact laws to enforce the Constitution -- rather than proposing a change that would require the very difficult and extended process of amending the Constitution. The crux of his tortured argument is that the Fourteenth Amendment clause "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" denies citizenship to American-born children whose parents "owe allegiance to another country." Not surprisingly, Bilbray is not specific about what that phrase means.

Anti-Immigrant Republican Brian Bilbray's Bizarre Crusade on the 14th Amendment | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet

The deliberate misinterpretation and the spin continues. I agree with Bilbray, two ILLEGAL ALIENS cannot produce an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
The children can usually stay if born on USA soil and land and are citizens but the illegal parents got to go. I believe that ppl should immigrate LEGALLY but ppl like to put a spin and play on words to try to hijack and take advantage of USA citizens rights and privileges.

I cannot and will NOT defend illegal immigration.

I only support LEGAL immigration.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:57 PM
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I agree with him but I doubt if it were passed that it would be applied retroactively.

Looks like I was right.

(b) Applicability- The amendment made by subsection (a)(3) shall not be construed to affect the citizenship or nationality status of any person born before the date of the enactment of this Act.

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Old 12-05-2013, 12:11 AM
Location: Flippin AR
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Originally Posted by Pug Life View Post
...I'm sorry, but if you haven't gotten even a Bachelor's degree, you are not qualified to be a Congressman...
Unfortunately, higher education isn't proving to be any indicator of intelligent leadership--60% of the Senate and 43% of Congress have post graduate degrees in law (What percentage of US congress members are lawyers), and collectively they can't even manage the minimal competence of passing a budget: "Over the past 30 years, it’s happened only four times — in 1977, 1989, 1995, and 1997" Congress is addicted to stop-gap budgets - The Washington Post

Instead, maybe we should be requiring political candidates to have a decade of work experience where they actually have to problem-solve (say as an engineer or a doctor). A 2011 study found that "Just a tiny fraction of Congress comes out of the working class," and since the 1980s Washington has increasingly become the land of career politicians who never worked a "real" job in their lives (What a politician’s former job can tell you - The Washington Post). While the nation-destroying corruption and incompetence of Washington isn't going to be fixed by have a few working class people helping decide how the working class's tax dollars are spent, but it would be a nice gesture.
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