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Old 01-13-2008, 08:46 PM
 
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I've been reading several posts by some anti-immigration "activists" regarding FAIR and am shocked at how little they know about an organization in which they are a memeber.

First, FAIR is opposed to ALL types of immigration Legal and Illegal alike.

They are even opposed to Indian & Filipino doctors coming here to practice in under served areas. They are opposed to Chinese researchers who are looking for a cure for cancer immigrating here and millionaire South American businessmen coming here to start new a business.

Why are they opposed to immigrants such as these?
We all know the answer to that.
That is only one of the reasons why they are a hate group.

Care for more reasons? (broken link)
  • Accepted funding from the Pioneer Fund
  • Staff members at FAIR have ties to white supremacist groups.
  • FAIR has successfully spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, including the bogus claim that Mexico has set its sights on “reconquering” the Southwest and the notion of a secret plot to merge the United States, Canada and Mexico.
  • A top FAIR official met with the leaders of a Belgian racist and xenophobic group to seek the Europeans’ “advice” on immigration.
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:50 PM
 
Location: California
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I don't understand why a group of Americans would get together and protest immigration in general if their ancestors were also immigrants.
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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First, FAIR is opposed to ALL types of immigration Legal and Illegal alike.
The statement about is about as close to a lie as you can get
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Old 01-13-2008, 09:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by blacknight04 View Post
I've been reading several posts by some anti-immigration "activists" regarding FAIR and am shocked at how little they know about an organization in which they are a memeber.

First, FAIR is opposed to ALL types of immigration Legal and Illegal alike.

They are even opposed to Indian & Filipino doctors coming here to practice in under served areas. They are opposed to Chinese researchers who are looking for a cure for cancer immigrating here and millionaire South American businessmen coming here to start new a business.

Why are they opposed to immigrants such as these?
We all know the answer to that.
That is only one of the reasons why they are a hate group.

Care for more reasons? (broken link)
  • Accepted funding from the Pioneer Fund
  • Staff members at FAIR have ties to white supremacist groups.
  • FAIR has successfully spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, including the bogus claim that Mexico has set its sights on “reconquering” the Southwest and the notion of a secret plot to merge the United States, Canada and Mexico.
  • A top FAIR official met with the leaders of a Belgian racist and xenophobic group to seek the Europeans’ “advice” on immigration.
So we are supposed to take your word for all this? You need to provide links to back up some of these claims. And who besides you says they are a hate group? The SPLC?
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:29 PM
 
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I don't understand why a group of Americans would get together and protest immigration in general if their ancestors were also immigrants.
There are several anti immigrant groups focusing on protesting nearly all forms of immigration.

Yes, their ancestors are, by and large all immigrants, or descendants of immigrants, but the immigration they wish to stop is immigration of people unlike themselves.

In other words, immigrants which are different than themselves, or immigrants who may wish to immigrate here at some later date after these folks have already immigrated here themselves.

Many of these same folks deny there is any hypocrisy involved in their taking such a position, or in pushing such an agenda.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:33 PM
 
Location: California
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There are several anti immigrant groups focusing on protesting nearly all forms of immigration.

Yes, their ancestors are, by and large all immigrants, or descendants of immigrants, but the immigration they wish to stop is immigration of people unlike themselves.

In other words, immigrants which are different than themselves, or immigrants who may wish to immigrate here at some later date after these folks have already immigrated here themselves.

Many of these same folks deny there is any hypocrisy involved in their taking such a position, or in pushing such an agenda.
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Thats hypocrisy and racism.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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Thats hypocrisy and racism.
Bingo.....

Delve a little deeper into some of the financial backers of the anti-immigrant groups, and you can find eugenicism to add to the list.

This link will provide a number of interesting alliances to ponder:

SPLCenter.org: The Puppeteer

.....Don't be afraid to read all four pages...

John Tanton's network of funded anti immigration groups contains all these funded groups.

American Immigration Control Foundation
AICF, 1983, funded

American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together
1992, funded

California Coalition for Immigration Reform
CCIR, 1994, funded

Californians for Population Stabilization
1996, funded (founded separately in 1986)

Center for Immigration Studies
CIS, 1985, founded and funded

Federation for American Immigration Reform
FAIR, 1979, founded and funded

NumbersUSA
1996, founded and funded

Population-Environment Balance
1973, joined board in 1980

Pro English
1994, founded and funded

ProjectUSA
1999, funded

The Social Contract Press
1990, founded and funded

U.S. English
1983, founded and funded

U.S. Inc.
1982, founded and funded

That's one guy funding all those groups and it's not an all inclusive list, there are more new ones, and more not listed.

He's got himself quite a one-man 'campaign', eh?
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:12 AM
 
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Bingo.....

Delve a little deeper into some of the financial backers of the anti-immigrant groups, and you can find eugenicism to add to the list.

This link will provide a number of interesting alliances to ponder:

SPLCenter.org: The Puppeteer

.....Don't be afraid to read all four pages...

John Tanton's network of funded anti immigration groups contains all these funded groups.

American Immigration Control Foundation
AICF, 1983, funded

American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together
1992, funded

California Coalition for Immigration Reform
CCIR, 1994, funded

Californians for Population Stabilization
1996, funded (founded separately in 1986)

Center for Immigration Studies
CIS, 1985, founded and funded

Federation for American Immigration Reform
FAIR, 1979, founded and funded

NumbersUSA
1996, founded and funded

Population-Environment Balance
1973, joined board in 1980

Pro English
1994, founded and funded

ProjectUSA
1999, funded

The Social Contract Press
1990, founded and funded

U.S. English
1983, founded and funded

U.S. Inc.
1982, founded and funded

That's one guy funding all those groups and it's not an all inclusive list, there are more new ones, and more not listed.

He's got himself quite a one-man 'campaign', eh?
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Great post.
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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People DO NOT oppose LEGAL immigration

People DO oppose ILLEGAL immigration

The Pro Illegals continue to try to spread their LIES though -
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:19 AM
 
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So we are supposed to take your word for all this? You need to provide links to back up some of these claims. And who besides you says they are a hate group? The SPLC?
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In 1979, as immigration became the primary source of U.S. population growth, Tanton organized the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) based in Washington, D.C. Tanton also founded, along with a few other FAIR board members, a group called WITAN -- short for the Old English term "witenagemot," meaning "council of wise men."
John Tanton is co-author with Wayne Lutton of The Immigration Invasion, and has written numerous editorials and opinion pieces including End of the Migration Epoch.
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In 1986, Tanton signed a memo that went to WITAN members that some believed went too far in its characterization of Hispanics.
The memo charged that Latin American immigrants brought a culture of political corruption with them to the United States, and that they were unlikely to involve themselves in civil life. He raised the alarm that they could become the majority group in U.S. society. He asked: "Can homo contraceptivus compete with homo progenativa?"
Answering his own rhetorical question, Tanton wrote that "perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down!...As whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion?"
According to Tanton, "In California 2030, the non-Hispanic Whites and Asians will own the property, have the good jobs and education, speak one language and be mostly Protestant and 'other.' The Blacks and Hispanics will have the poor jobs, will lack education, own little property, speak another language and will be mainly Catholic."
Furthermore, Tanton raised concerns about the "educability" of Hispanics. In 1988, the media published this Tanton memo, which caused a number of former supporters of U.S. English to cut ties with the organization, including Walter Cronkite and eventually its director Linda Chavez, who went on to become an analyst with the Center for Equal Opportunity. John Tanton would also resign from U.S. English over the controversy
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John Tanton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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