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Old 03-21-2010, 09:09 AM
 
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I get a kick form you guys that write it down, then say...Problem solved.

what proplem did you solve? you just put the mlitary on the border...then what? shoot at anything that moves?

arrest border crossers? by what authority...The US Military isnt a civilian Police force. My son should have to make the decission to shoot a goat hearder out in the desert, not knowing if that hearder is Mexican or American...?

Do you think there is a line down the sand marking US on one side and Mexico on the other...

If a person is 500 yards inside the border, do they shoot?...or at a mile?

but if its a mile, then they could be one of those Brown Americans...do we shoot or not.

What problem is solved?
I am opposed to using violence unless absolutely necessary. However, if it comes down to that then anyone who enters through a legal port of entry should be safe. Unless you are an illegal alien why would you enter any other way?
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Old 03-21-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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Az...Im not for Amnesty, but Amnesty will happen way before mass deportation.
You say you aren't for amnesty but that is because you are just using a play on the word amnesty. Amnesty to you means paying no fines, back taxes, etc. Amnesty to us means illegal aliens being able to remain in our country with or without the above. So under "our" terms....yes you are for amnesty.

I don't think there will be mass involuntary deportations but something like e-verify and/or a National I.D. card will be implemented across the country and therefore most will self-deport.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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There is no need for mass deportation.

If you are living in an apartment in Phoenix, Arizona at the height of summer and your landlord refuses to turn off the heat, will you endure being completely miserable in your home or will you move?

Heavily fine and/or imprison ANYONE employing illegal aliens.

No benefits...none. ER care only in the case of life threatening illness or accident.

Clarify the 14th Amendment to reflect original intent--no birthright citizenship for anchor babies--no possibility of obtaining services through pseudo-citizenship.

Voila! Deportation through attrition.
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Old 03-21-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is no need for mass deportation.

If you are living in an apartment in Phoenix, Arizona at the height of summer and your landlord refuses to turn off the heat, will you endure being completely miserable in your home or will you move?

Heavily fine and/or imprison ANYONE employing illegal aliens.

No benefits...none. ER care only in the case of life threatening illness or accident.

Clarify the 14th Amendment to reflect original intent--no birthright citizenship for anchor babies--no possibility of obtaining services through pseudo-citizenship.

Voila! Deportation through attrition.
I'd like to increase work place raids too. Make them fearful to show up for work.

If the environment is uncomfortable enough they will leave. It's already been proven under Ike.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:24 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why do illegals even come here?

DUH!

Because they can.

Close the borders down
Throw those that provide work and housing in the tank and fine them an enormous amount of cash, for each one they house or employ. No work, no roof over your head, you go back home!!
Make it just like calling 911, and quick response by those in charge of capturing these fugitives.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Close the borders down
You want to stop illegal immigrants from coming here, than put landmines all over the border and put up huge signs in Spanish warning intruders that the border is filled with landmines and that they will die if they try to cross over into U.S soil.
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You want to stop illegal immigrants from coming here, than put landmines all over the border and put up huge signs in Spanish warning intruders that the border is filled with landmines and that they will die if they try to cross over into U.S soil.
Hmm.

OK
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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The majority of Americans aren't against people coming here by any means. AS LONG AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS TO DO SO! Hey, you want to move here legally, and improve the quality of your life, feel free to do so. Apply for citizenship, pay taxes, and learn to speak English, just like my ancestors had to do. A lot of the ones sneaking over the border, already are criminals. We have enough criminals in this country! We don't need someone elses dregs of society. We have Americans out of work, and hungry. I'm more concerned about our citizens, and their well being than someone who is coming here illegally. If that makes me a bad Christian, because I care about my fellow Americans and my country, than so be it. Mexicans need to get a grip on their own damn country and improve the quality of life down there! It is 2010, and it's time to get with the rest of the civilized world. Furthermore, I'm all for helping people that are willing to help themselves. Also, as a Christian I also BELIEVE that God helps people that help themselves!
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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This is the way I am seeing it. Deporting them all is an expensive, long process. Some students in my class got into a debate about this. One student suggested that making the persons who come illegally pay a fine and then go through the proper channels. The way I see it, as long as people see the USA as the land of milk and honey, as the land of freedom and opportunity, and as long as people are desperate and/or are dissatisfied with the way things are in their own nation, people will find a way to come here, legal or illegal. People are going to find ways. There has to be a better way of doing things.
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Old 04-21-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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This is the way I am seeing it. Deporting them all is an expensive, long process. Some students in my class got into a debate about this. One student suggested that making the persons who come illegally pay a fine and then go through the proper channels. The way I see it, as long as people see the USA as the land of milk and honey, as the land of freedom and opportunity, and as long as people are desperate and/or are dissatisfied with the way things are in their own nation, people will find a way to come here, legal or illegal. People are going to find ways. There has to be a better way of doing things.
No, they won't come here illegally if there are no jobs or benefits for them. That is the best way to deter illegal immigration. We also need to make it a felony to migrate here illegally.
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