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It is going to be very costly to deport over 20 million people back to their homelands. Undocumented people could be from anywhere in the world (Mexico, Europe, Asia, Middle East, other countries in the Americas, etc). The undocumented population is similar to the total population of Australia (21 million people). It is going to be extremely costly for us to do such thing, and the productivity hours lost (over 20 million laborers) will contribute to the worsening of our economy.
I looking at this issue from an economic point of view
In my opinion, we should find a way to make them pay taxes; an Amnesty is the most logical option (economical and viable). If you have an idea feel free to share it.
Well, deportation is an option.. but as I wrote before... is it $$ viable?
Apparently you haven't heard of the most economical solution of getting rid of unwanted illegals, which is attritionthrough enforcement of existing immigration laws. Passing tough on illegals/tough on the scumbag employers of illegals law making it very difficult for illegals to live and work in the US, resulting in massive self deportations, is obviously the most economically feasible way to get rid of unwanted illegals. Cost to taxpayers, ZERO. As far as your amnesty, the Heritage Foundation did a study which projects the ultimate cost to American taxpayers for an amnesty for 10 million unwanted illegals at 2.6 TRILLION!!!!!. For the more realistic number of illegals here of 20 plus million, the ultimate cost of amnesty would be 5.2 TRILLION!!!!!!!!!. You could deport 20 plus million unwanted illegal aliens and all of the IA enablers for less than 5.2 trillion.
Hmm, why do you associate "Illegal Alien" with only Mexicans? Illegal immigrants are coming from many countries, even European countries. So many of the ones who are against illegal immigration only mention Mexicans which leads people to believe that they are racists. Which it sure does seem like they are.
Sure most of the current illegal immigration is from Mexico but I don't see you guys protesting at European embassies saying "Germans go home! British go home! French go home! Etc. Etc.," I don't see the same people who are against illegal immigration complaining about the Canadian border. Thankfully this is just an example of where the minority (racist anti immigration) are being so vocal they are drowning the voices of those that support anti-illegal immigration and those that support open borders out.
If someone is against illegal immigration they should not only be complaining about the Mexican-U.S. border they should also be complaining about the Canadian border. They should be in front of foreign embassies peacfully protesting. I do believe most are worried about whites becoming a minority in the United States. Unfortunately, this will make racists be more vocal as you can see with the kkk and other hate groups growing in numbers.
The cold reality is that most illegals originate from Mexico/Central America, not Europe/Asia/Africa or even Canada hence the efforts to shut off the flow from SoB.
The above stated: I have no issue with legal immigrants from Mexico, etc.
Hmm, why do you associate "Illegal Alien" with only Mexicans? Illegal immigrants are coming from many countries, even European countries. So many of the ones who are against illegal immigration only mention Mexicans which leads people to believe that they are racists. Which it sure does seem like they are.
Sure most of the current illegal immigration is from Mexico but I don't see you guys protesting at European embassies saying "Germans go home! British go home! French go home! Etc. Etc.," I don't see the same people who are against illegal immigration complaining about the Canadian border. Thankfully this is just an example of where the minority (racist anti immigration) are being so vocal they are drowning the voices of those that support anti-illegal immigration and those that support open borders out.
If someone is against illegal immigration they should not only be complaining about the Mexican-U.S. border they should also be complaining about the Canadian border. They should be in front of foreign embassies peacfully protesting. I do believe most are worried about whites becoming a minority in the United States. Unfortunately, this will make racists be more vocal as you can see with the kkk and other hate groups growing in numbers.
For someone with NO knowledge of the posters on this forum, you have certainly made quite a few assumptions. Mexican is not a race; just as American is not a race – it’s a nationality. We focus primarily on Mexicans due to their majority status among illegal aliens. We also focus on them because they are the ones marching in our streets waving their country’s flag, while demanding legalization. If they don’t want the oil, they should stop squeaking.
The cold reality is that most illegals originate from Mexico/Central America, not Europe/Asia/Africa or even Canada hence the efforts to shut off the flow from SoB.
The above stated: I have no issue with legal immigrants from Mexico, etc.
Yes, which I said in my post. Most illegals are from Mexico, but illegal immigration from Mexico is falling while illegal immigration from countries like China is rising (based on 2005-2006). Not to mention there are about 65-70 thousand ILLEGAL Canadians in America. Where is the outcry about that? While it is not near the amount of illegal Mexicans, it is still a large number, no? So I believe if you are going to be anti-illegal immigration you should be against all illegal immigration, not just people of color.
Edit - Benicar, where did I say anything about this forum? I did not mention anything about this forum, Racist Anti-Illegal immigration supporters are everywhere, on this forum and in the real world... I know Mexican is not a race, no where did I say they were a race. Hatred will make you see things in arguements that aren't there.
Edit again - Why are Mexicans not allowed to fly their flag? People from all nationalities fly their flag openly. Now when one flies another countries flag above the American flag is where one could get mad with reason.
Edit - Benicar, where did I say anything about this forum? I did not mention anything about this forum, Racist Anti-Illegal immigration supporters are everywhere, on this forum and in the real world... I know Mexican is not a race, no where did I say they were a race. Hatred will make you see things in arguements that aren't there.
Allow me to refresh your memory.
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Originally Posted by 1Corinthians127
Hmm, why do you associate "Illegal Alien" with only Mexicans? Illegal immigrants are coming from many countries, even European countries. So many of the ones who are against illegal immigration only mention Mexicans which leads people to believe that they are racists. Which it sure does seem like they are.
Sure most of the current illegal immigration is from Mexico but I don't see you guys protesting at European embassies saying "Germans go home! British go home! French go home! Etc. Etc.," I don't see the same people who are against illegal immigration complaining about the Canadian border. Thankfully this is just an example of where the minority (racist anti immigration) are being so vocal they are drowning the voices of those that support anti-illegal immigration and those that support open borders out.
If someone is against illegal immigration they should not only be complaining about the Mexican-U.S. border they should also be complaining about the Canadian border. They should be in front of foreign embassies peacfully protesting. I do believe most are worried about whites becoming a minority in the United States. Unfortunately, this will make racists be more vocal as you can see with the kkk and other hate groups growing in numbers.
How can one be “racist†against a nationality? Wouldn’t a more apt description be “nativist?†Furthermore, why would I “hate†you, I don’t even know you. Moreover, I hate no one, with the exception of child molesters.
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Edit again - Why are Mexicans not allowed to fly their flag? People from all nationalities fly their flag openly. Now when one flies another countries flag above the American flag is where one could get mad with reason.
There’s a difference between illegal aliens flying their flag, and the desecration of the U.S. flag. Have you not seen the inverted U.S. flag being flown below the Mexican flag? Have you not seen them spitting and stomping on the U.S. flag? If not, I don't know where you have been.
How can one be “racist†against a nationality? Wouldn’t a more apt description be “nativist?†Furthermore, why would I “hate†you, I don’t even know you. Moreover, I hate no one, with the exception of child molesters.
There’s a difference between illegal aliens flying their flag, and the desecration of the U.S. flag. Have you not seen the inverted U.S. flag being flown below the Mexican flag? Have you not seen them spitting and stomping on the U.S. flag? If not, I don't know where you have been.
You are picking little pieces of a post out then turning them around. You should read my post again. I never said you hated anyone. And when I said "you guys" I never said city-data, what I meant was the people who decide to protest illegal immigration but only go after Mexicans and people of color...
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you have read very few of my post and that you dont know what I said before.
Apparently you didn't see that Asia, Canada, Europe, Africa and a few other countries account for a little less than 20% of illegal immigrants here.
Mexico accounts for 57%, other south of the border countries account for 23%. They are not coming here in drove by planes, boats, or submarines. The vast majority walk right across our southern border.
Funny thing about building a wall, like the one that Israel has, is that it has CHECK POINTS and GATES. Both of which you can easily cross thru with the proper ID and documentation.
Oh and if you want to see them go home in droves, make illegal entry a felony, stop anchor babies, and end ALL welfare services to immigrant and illegals. Quite a few would leave just after that simple move. We could put the saved money toward the wall idea too!
Every recent C/D poll suggests exactly the opposite.
From Pew FAQ's:
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Why don't your surveys ever reflect the opinions of people I know?
Chances are you don't hang out with a group of friends that represents everyone in America. Your friends, coworkers and family are probably like you in many ways. If you were to have a group of friends that represents all of the country, you would have acquaintances who are black, white, Asian, rich, poor, Muslim, Catholic, from the South, Northeast, etc., or any combination of those attributes. Few of us are lucky to have such a diverse group of friends.
A large amount of C/D's posters have a strong anti-illegal tendencies, that I would think would scare off all but determined posters. I got asked to leave the forums by a member who stated that my posts were offensive and my ideas 'repugnant' if I'm not mistaken. Later, the poster acknowledged that we were here to express our different opinions and withdrew the request. I have a rather thick skin so no harm done, but a more sensitive individual might have just left.
So, I think the poll is more representative of the U.S. opinion than polls conducted via C/D threads.
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