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Old 08-21-2009, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Why would we have to "do" anything. It would then follow the normal legal procedures for attempting to gain citizenship to the country with the additional hurdle of the parents being penalized for having entered illegally to begin with.

The current version says they must complete at least 2 years of higher education.
Where did you get your info? The DREAM Act does NOT require illegal aliens to even attend college. They are only required to be at least age 12 and attending school (any school). Furthermore, the bill title is a misnomer. In case you don’t know, the “M” in the DREAM Act is an acronym for “Minors.” How many “minors” are attending college? Moreover, how many “minors” are 34 years old?

Regarding actual illegal alien minors -- do you honestly believe our government would amnesty minors, and deport their criminal parents? It’s piecemeal amnesty, period.

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(b) Stay of Removal of Certain Aliens Enrolled in Primary or Secondary School- The Attorney General shall stay the removal proceedings of any alien who--

(1) meets all the requirements of subparagraphs (A), (B), (C), and (E) of section 4(a)(1);

(2) is at least 12 years of age; and

(3) is enrolled full time in a primary or secondary school.
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(D) the alien, at the time of application, has been admitted to an institution of higher education in the United States, or has earned a high school diploma or obtained a general education development certificate in the United States;

(E) the alien has never been under a final administrative or judicial order of exclusion, deportation, or removal, unless the alien--

(i) has remained in the United States under color of law after such order was issued; or

(ii) received the order before attaining the age of 16 years; and

(F) the alien had not yet reached the age of 35 years on the date of the enactment of this Act.
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These are real people. You speak as if they are economic pawns in some kind of bartering system. Also, you aren't rewarding bad behavior. You would be punishing kids who havn't done anything wrong by their own accord.
We all realize they are “real” people; and these “real” people are here illegally. Blame their criminal parents, not us. Children often suffer due to their parents’ illegal behavior. It may not seem fair, but such is life. For the umpteenth time -- we owe illegals (including DREAMies) NOTHING.

And yes, if passed, we would indeed be rewarding the “bad behavior” of the parents by legalizing their children.
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Old 08-22-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't feel bad for ONE SECOND that we are not handing over the keys to America to the offspring of these criminals. We have an immigration system for a reason. It is also not broken! The only part that is dysfunctional is that we don't enforce our existing laws.


How did we get to the point that someone can slither across the border and as long as they can out maneuver the BP the are all but granted amnesty? WTH?
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:38 PM
 
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Its time we made more of our childrens dreams come true and for illegals to make their childrens dreams comne true by obeying the US laws.
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Old 08-27-2009, 07:07 AM
 
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You have to remember that since they are illegal, their kids must be subjected to inferior treatment. Therefore if they are remain in the US, they must be as uneducated as possible in order to "save" money. We must degrade standard of living in order to "teach them a lesson". However, if crime increases and tensions rise, we must understand that this is due to their nature of criminality. The illegal immigrants win if they improve their lot in life and obtain citizenship via education. We must not enable smart illegal immigrants to enter our university system. Even if said people will provide role models and services to the communities whence they came, they must not serve as role models since they show that our nation is a nation that cares...caring is a weakness. Caring means that we will fall as a nation. Only true Americans can be cared about. We have cared too much for the world. We give aid with strings attached. We consume more per capita than any other nation. We pollute more per capita than other nations. We create substandard jobs in the third world. We prop up ineffectual governments abroad. We do all this...and we get no thanks?

We don't need to care about those less fortunate. We need to spend more money on protected our border from marijuana dealers and terrorists. Our inner cities schools are just filled with either gang members, illegal immigrants, or drug types. They will never go anywhere since they choose that path. So, let's put money toward keeping the good people safe. The good, middle income people of America. The ones that speak English.

The USA needs to be prudent on making sure that the socialists in power don't enable education and healthcare to children of illegal immigrants. They don't deserve it. In order to make sure that illegal immigrants are not receiving social services, we should deport them. We will find those that match a profile of an illegal immigrant. This way, we will have a better chance of returning America to its rightful place.

They certainly do not deserve an all expense paid free ride on the backs of the American taxpayer to the university of their choice here.

Contrary to popular opinion, they have universities - and good ones - back in their own country. Nothing stops them from attending universities back home. And really nothing stops them from going home, applying for a foreign student visa to study here.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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They certainly do not deserve an all expense paid free ride on the backs of the American taxpayer to the university of their choice here.

Contrary to popular opinion, they have universities - and good ones - back in their own country. Nothing stops them from attending universities back home. And really nothing stops them from going home, applying for a foreign student visa to study here.
So why can't they come and attend university here? No popular opinion stated that there are no good universities in their home country. You implied that (wrongly). The point is that they are here. They spent their time growing up here, and consider this home. They shouldn't be punished for the sins of their parents. They are obtaining an education...more so than over 70% of LEGAL Americans. So why do we needless have to create more of a debacle? Just let them study. It really doesn't affect you. And even you say that due to xyz reason it does, well, it doesn't. Your life will still go on exactly the same. So let them study in peace.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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I don't feel bad for ONE SECOND that we are not handing over the keys to America to the offspring of these criminals. We have an immigration system for a reason. It is also not broken! The only part that is dysfunctional is that we don't enforce our existing laws.


How did we get to the point that someone can slither across the border and as long as they can out maneuver the BP the are all but granted amnesty? WTH?
Right, not broken. When my mom was stuck almost unable to go back to Saudi Arabia because her green card expired due to incomptence on the part of the US gov't...not once, but TWICE, that's a broken system. When my friend applied for citizenship, and they lost her paperwork for two years...that's a broken system. The system doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow immigration patterns, and is also based on profiling. It also is too unwieldy (too many mistakes happen).

Why not create a logical system that realizes that immigration is going to happen outside of the system. A system that, rather than deters illegal immigration, supports legal immigration. A system that is more immigrant friendly. Easier times obtaining student visas, a guest worker program, an amnesty program, acts that realize that there are those that were too young to even have a say in their legal status.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So why can't they come and attend university here? No popular opinion stated that there are no good universities in their home country. You implied that (wrongly). The point is that they are here. They spent their time growing up here, and consider this home. They shouldn't be punished for the sins of their parents. They are obtaining an education...more so than over 70% of LEGAL Americans. So why do we needless have to create more of a debacle? Just let them study. It really doesn't affect you. And even you say that due to xyz reason it does, well, it doesn't. Your life will still go on exactly the same. So let them study in peace.
In one word: tough!

The USA for Americans/legal residents only: all others; even those brought here @ 6 months of age by their criminal illegal alien parents still need to leave.

We owe the above losers nothing outside of deportation back home.
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:21 AM
 
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In one word: tough!

The USA for Americans/legal residents only: all others; even those brought here @ 6 months of age by their criminal illegal alien parents still need to leave.

We owe the above losers nothing outside of deportation back home.
"Even if they were 6 months?!" WTF? Really?

Despite the fact they are trying to actually aid in this society? Actually trying to provide role models to the least privilleged group of society. Regardless of legality status, they still affect society. Therefore having educated role models might ENCOURAGE those to become LEGAL and GO to SCHOOL.

Of course though, I suspect that you don't or would not like to acknowledge that aspect. You'd like to live in a world of theoretically no illegal immigration. That's not reality. You live in a world of simple black and white. That's not reality. People who don't face reality are typically considered insane.
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Pa
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"Even if they were 6 months?!" WTF? Really?

Despite the fact they are trying to actually aid in this society? Actually trying to provide role models to the least privilleged group of society. Regardless of legality status, they still affect society. Therefore having educated role models might ENCOURAGE those to become LEGAL and GO to SCHOOL.

Of course though, I suspect that you don't or would not like to acknowledge that aspect. You'd like to live in a world of theoretically no illegal immigration. That's not reality. You live in a world of simple black and white. That's not reality. People who don't face reality are typically considered insane.
It must suck to have parents who are criminals. I can only imagine how that would feel.
Parents day. This is my dad. For a living he is a criminal. When he isn't using a stolen ID he works under the table and cheats on his taxes. When ever we are sick we go to the emergency room and lie about who we are. We pray that no police are there and really pray that no one turns us in. I am so proud of dad and I have learned so much from him.
Yes in deed just the kind of citizens we need to improve our society.
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:13 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me
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They shouldn't be punished for the sins of their parents.
Rather than looking at it as being punished, it's a matter of them having to deal with the consequences of their parents' actions. Put the blame back onto the criminal parents who chose to include children in their criminal activities.

As for how it affects me, if there is a single cent of taxpayer money spent on their education, I'm affected. That also includes allowing illegal criminals to receive discounts on education, or government-backed subsidies or loans, which they are not entitled to. Go home and apply for student visas, then pay full fare.
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