Most Illegal Aliens are Mexican Indian, not Spanish (Aztlan, racist, Native Americans)

[eaglecall]

Originally Posted by Dingler

No one seems to want to talk about the Spanish vs Indian aspect of illegal immigration. Why?

Number one, is not politically correct, number 2, there is a multi billion industry running between legal hispanic immigrants making money from these poor indians. If you could spend one year in each south american country, you'll discover that the few enterprises and industries who move those countries were created by Whites, either from Spanish ancestry or any other European country. What they do here, is exactly the same. Those channels, univision, telemundo, promote the so called "The channel for hispanics" to move this industry; radios, marketing companies, they sell products and services "for hispanics" that's why they support more and more immigrants coming here because that means more money for them.

In south America the middle class is almost non-existant. You have a big poor class, usually all these indian people or mix, doing low class job and cheap hand labor, and you have a big rich class; all these aristocrat people who move the nation and do the best to keep these poor in poverty to continue ith the cycle. And finally, you have politicians who steal money from the rich class with high taxes and promise the best to the poor (lying of course) that way they keep in power forever.

And that is what could happen here if we keep importing these people. Out nation will become a third world. That middle class American who used to paint house and make a good living, now will be the owner of a company hiring low class unskilled people for minimum wage to do the job. That way, middle class dissapear, poverty increases, rich class increases. It has been proven through history that the south american system doesn't work.

[eaglecall]

Originally Posted by jco

I don't think most people know about this. I knew that the Spanish grossly abused the Indians when they came, but I didn't know about the racism still existed in their country until I met my husband, who is Hispanic.

I think we should talk more about it because this means that the illegals in our country are fleeing racism in their own country. This changes a person.

This is true. In fact, the history of the ancestry of most south americans is very sad. When Spaniards arrived, they killed millions of indians and used to rape women; those children were born without a father and with a mixed mentality; some indian instincts and some European instincts to come out of tribes and build a town; they never learned how to do any of them to perfection, hence the mediocrisy in south america.

[eaglecall]

Originally Posted by Kele

If they are fleeing racism, why do so many insist on hanging on to their customs and their flag, refusing to assimilate into American culture?

Personally, I'd have a problem with a country which treated me like a third-class citizen and once I was out of there, I'd have no problem embracing a culture which treated me like a person and eschewing any loyalty to a country which treated me like crap.

That's exactly how a European mentality thinks, and that's why I start from the base that these people is 180 desgrees different. Based on that, it is very dangerous to import people with a different way of thinking. They could modify in the future what is proven to work, and that of course will be the end of The United States as we know it.

[dorado0359]

My son, who has a degree in Global Studies, just recently returned from Ecuador and said that it is disgraceful in the way indigenous Indians and Afro-Ecuadorians are treated in that country. These people have no voice in government, live in extreme poverty and shunned by the "White" Ecuadorians society.

[jco]

Originally Posted by Kele

If they are fleeing racism, why do so many insist on hanging on to their customs and their flag, refusing to assimilate into American culture?

Personally, I'd have a problem with a country which treated me like a third-class citizen and once I was out of there, I'd have no problem embracing a culture which treated me like a person and eschewing any loyalty to a country which treated me like crap.

I don't think they're fleeing racism, but just that they've experienced it. In my in-law's case, they fled poverty and embraced the American culture. I've noticed that so many first generation illegal immigrants are actually hard-working, humble people. It's the second generation that really seems to refuse assimilation.

[winter]

I don't profess to know what the outcome of all this will be but it's a no brainer to realize that things will never be quite the way they were. Kele is a good teacher. I have learned alot from her postings. I did know that the darker skinned Mexicans are treated badly. I have concerns for Black Americans who were forced to come here. When all is said and done I hope for them that they are not going to be the downtrodden.

[lilypad]

Hope this isn't too off topic. Just was wondering if the "caste system" has been brought here in the US hispanic community? Many hispanics here in Texas, with varying "degrees" of lightness/darkness. Can't see why it matters, but not sure I have noticed this here.

[Hawkeye48]

Originally Posted by Kele

Actually, that isn't true. Less than 15% of the Mexican population is made up of true indigenous Meso American Indians. Nearly 80% of Mexico's people are Mestizo, which is a mixture of indigenous Meso American Indian and Spanish. Very few pure blood Spanish are immigrating to the U.S. illegally. Why should they? In Mexico, they are at the top of the food chain. Most are wealthy land/business owners. They have no need to cross the border illegally to work for pennies. They are doing quite well.

A common misconception is that Mexico doesn't differentiate between its lighter and darker skinned inhabitants. That is not true. The lighter your skin in Mexico, the better you are treated. The worst off are the indigenous Meso American Indian population who are treated like third or fourth class citizens. If you look at the Mexicans who occupy positions of power or public positions, such as television announcers, the high European influence of their DNA is clearly seen.

The majority of illegal aliens coming into the United States are Mestizo.

You make some interesting points. I'm going to have to pay a little better attention and watch for this.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by eaglecall

This is true. In fact, the history of the ancestry of most south americans is very sad. When Spaniards arrived, they killed millions of indians and used to rape women; those children were born without a father and with a mixed mentality; some indian instincts and some European instincts to come out of tribes and build a town; they never learned how to do any of them to perfection, hence the mediocrisy in south america.

eaglecall,

i disagree with what you say about "indians coming out of tribes to build a town". please be reminded that the civilizations of the mayans and the aztecs were highly advanced in astronomy, science, architecture, etc. this was well documented by hernan cortes himself who compared tenochtitlan 9mexico city) to a city which rivaled venice in beauty. what we see now as ruins were once thriving cities that had their own systems of government. the indians of mesoamerica needed no europeans to show them how to build a town. they already were doing a pretty good job of it themselves.

wehotex

[Nahuatl01]

Not to sound rude, but your sooudning a latile Right wing here bro.
We escape persecution in our own lands, we are the indians of this land, here before the whites came, we have aright to be here, the gringos stole the American SW from Mexico.

Aas to seconds we keep our identity because it still mostly indian which we have fought and died forto stop the Spanish and Anglos taking away taht too