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Old 05-10-2007, 10:04 AM
 
Location: VA
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One thing I find interesting about the Hispanic invasion of America is the choice of their leaders. In many cases the people who speak for the illegal aliens from Latin America are Spanish not Indian. This is a big issue. Why do they choose Hispanic people whose ancestry goes back to Spain, instead of one of the various Indian Groups that have lived in Mexico and the rest of Latin America for generations?

Most illegal aliens from Latin America are not Spanish they are Indian. The people who are European Spanish in Mexico are lighter skinned elites in their country. They do not have to walk hundreds of miles across the desert to make it into America illegally.

No one seems to want to talk about the Spanish vs Indian aspect of illegal immigration. Why?
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:02 AM
 
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One thing I find interesting about the Hispanic invasion of America is the choice of their leaders. In many cases the people who speak for the illegal aliens from Latin America are Spanish not Indian. This is a big issue. Why do they choose Hispanic people whose ancestry goes back to Spain, instead of one of the various Indian Groups that have lived in Mexico and the rest of Latin America for generations?

Most illegal aliens from Latin America are not Spanish they are Indian. The people who are European Spanish in Mexico are lighter skinned elites in their country. They do not have to walk hundreds of miles across the desert to make it into America illegally.

No one seems to want to talk about the Spanish vs Indian aspect of illegal immigration. Why?
Because to recognize this you would have to acknowledge that there is racism and a caste system based on skin color in Mexico and everyone knows that no one except Americans can be racist.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:17 AM
 
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As a Cherokee Native I am deeply offended by the original poster. If the mexicans are mixed with native americans (mexico is also in north america by the way) is because they are also part our family, they share our indian blood!!
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Old 05-10-2007, 12:01 PM
 
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Stop commenting about OZARKSTAR's posts. The things he has to say are ABSURD and if you bring FACTS to rebut what he has posted he just makes another ABSURD comment the guy/girl is a troll who will not comment on any factual representation you bring to his outlandish posts. Ignore him.
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Old 05-10-2007, 02:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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One thing I find interesting about the Hispanic invasion of America is the choice of their leaders. In many cases the people who speak for the illegal aliens from Latin America are Spanish not Indian. This is a big issue. Why do they choose Hispanic people whose ancestry goes back to Spain, instead of one of the various Indian Groups that have lived in Mexico and the rest of Latin America for generations?

Most illegal aliens from Latin America are not Spanish they are Indian. The people who are European Spanish in Mexico are lighter skinned elites in their country. They do not have to walk hundreds of miles across the desert to make it into America illegally.

No one seems to want to talk about the Spanish vs Indian aspect of illegal immigration. Why?
Actually, that isn't true. Less than 15% of the Mexican population is made up of true indigenous Meso American Indians. Nearly 80% of Mexico's people are Mestizo, which is a mixture of indigenous Meso American Indian and Spanish. Very few pure blood Spanish are immigrating to the U.S. illegally. Why should they? In Mexico, they are at the top of the food chain. Most are wealthy land/business owners. They have no need to cross the border illegally to work for pennies. They are doing quite well.

A common misconception is that Mexico doesn't differentiate between its lighter and darker skinned inhabitants. That is not true. The lighter your skin in Mexico, the better you are treated. The worst off are the indigenous Meso American Indian population who are treated like third or fourth class citizens. If you look at the Mexicans who occupy positions of power or public positions, such as television announcers, the high European influence of their DNA is clearly seen.

The majority of illegal aliens coming into the United States are Mestizo.
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Old 05-10-2007, 02:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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As a Cherokee Native I am deeply offended by the original poster. If the mexicans are mixed with native americans (mexico is also in north america by the way) is because they are also part our family, they share our indian blood!!
I have only this to say and nothing more because I happen to agree that you are indeed quite trollish in your behavior. However, I really must address this misconception you've developed regarding the relationship between Native Americans and Meso Americans.

North American Indian = Those Native Americans who settled north of the modern day Mexico/U.S. border thousands of years ago.

Meso American Indian = So called because they settled in what is considered "Middle America," that part of the continent which is between the U.S. and South America.

Thousands of years and thousands of battles separate these two groups. The last time that they belonged to any sort of conglomerate clan was when the first peoples migrated from Siberia across the land bridge into modern day Alaska. No one really knows how many separate groups of Siberian peoples or how many regions of Siberia were involved.

Be that as it may, there is plenty of archeological and anthropological evidence which shows that these two groups of people have virtually nothing in common.

The languages share fewer cognates than English shares with Persian. The religious rituals and deities, artwork, and handmade crafts are completely different.

Native tribes from north of the modern day border clashed strongly with those from south of the border. There exists very little evidence for trading between the cultures. More evidence exists suggesting that they didn't get along at all.

Be mad all you want to. Your affinity for Meso American Indians is based on ties which basically ended 40,000 years ago.

Talk about living in the past!
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:04 PM
 
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What's really funny is to hear trash like Fox and Felipe Calderón call the U.S. racist. What a couple of dirt-bags!
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:46 PM
 
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Yep especially after the comments that they do jobs blacks won't even do and the racist cartoon stamp they issued of an offensive black character.
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Concord, California.
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There are a lot Of pure blooded Indians coming from Mexico to the U.S., but most of them are CULTURALY Mestizo, speak Spanish and are not tribal. There are also a lot of Mestizos who are of mostly European decent coming over as well, both many from the urban middle class, which is struggling, and many from poor pheasant backgrounds in the north. Northern Mexico has a lot of very poor Mestizos of mostly European decent, including Irish. There are also some very wealthy mestizos in Mexico.

But on average, yes, The more Indian, the worse treated and the poorer, -and those of pure European decent are generally doing quite well. But actually, a lot of them are foreign born, especially American. Most of the "White" elite in Mexico actually do have some Indian blood, but are of mostly European decent, and are classified as "White".

Vicente fox is actually mestizo, BTW. He is tall and light skinned (but still tan), and has light hair. But look at his facial features. He has squint eyes, a somewhat hooked nose and high cheekbones. He is also part Irish, -who mostly came to Mexico as poor migrant workers and blended into the mestizo majority over time.

Seriously, if Fox were short and wore work cloths instead of a suit and Tie, but were otherwise the same, he would be called mestizo instead of white. Goes to show how socioeconomic class on it's own can influence racial classification.
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Old 05-14-2007, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Concord, California.
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Also keep this in mind. Most of the ancestry of the people of Spain and Portugal, is from north Africa and is largely Berber and Arabic. There were also a lot of Sephardi Jews who were forced to convert to Catholicism during the inquisition (or be killed or leave). The Spanish are actually NOT Caucasian, for the most part.

DNA studies have shown that the Iberian people are genetically closer to Moroccans, than to anyone else. There is also a fair amount of Celtic influence, and some Anglo as well, but it is a minority.

In Spain itself, the elite is far more "White" looking than most of the people there, from when the Germans ruled Spain. And the poor are on the whole darker skinned than average.

Spanish people very widely in appearance, from a fair skinned Anglo or Celtic look (not most) to a dark skinned deeply north African look who don't look white at all (a lot more common than the former, actually), and everything in between.

People are also lighter in the north than in the south on average -no surprise there. And when I mention people with dark skin, no, I do not mean recent Moroccan immigrants who have been coming there illegally in recent decades, nor their descendants.

Those Illegal immigrants, BTW, are only really readily distinguishable by their language and dress. As far as features and skin tone go, they could quite easily be Spaniards.

As far as Mexico goes, it was mostly the darker skinned Spaniards, who were most of the infantry, who did most of the mixing with the Indians. The lighter looking Spanish, who were of much higher status on the whole, kept to their own or married other Europeans to a much greater extent. Du to upward and downward mobility over time, things did get mixed up quite a bit, but to this day the elite in Mexico are much lighter than average, Evan one compared to much of Spain itself. This is also strongly reinforced be the tendency for wealthy Mexican men, including mestizos, to prefer blond or fair skinned women, including many who are foreign born. This has actually caused the Mexican elite to become LIGHTER over time.

However, Evan the Mexican elite are not really nearly as blond and fair skinned on average than as is shown in their media. They are more likely to have a Mediterranean look.

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