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Old 11-11-2009, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Asking people for "papers" based on race is profiling. Which is a no no in this great country. To think we are going against our principles and values as Americans is sad.
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Asking people for "papers" based on race is profiling. Which is a no no in this great country. To think we are going against our principles and values as Americans is sad.
Building inspectors from a given city can stop by any job and request to see a contractors papers.
Let the cops do the same for these day laborers. legal residents carry their green cards.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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This is from the Legal Joe/Illegal Jose thread:



I really must have ticked you off.
You forgot to mention that you yourself said FIRST that you are only a high school graduate.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No it's not a valid fear. People have blamed illegal immigrants for everything from crime to the mortgage crisis. Much of that is bogus. Proof? Of what? What are you talking about? Also sorry if you feel that typing too fast is baloney...that's interesting, sorry but does takiing mean?

Also you analogy is highly flawed. It's an emotional appeal outside the realm of the argument and scope. That's like saying that there is only two possible outcomes, which is not true. I'm not a citizen? Okay I'm done talking to you. Clearly you don't have all your faculties. Good luck in life (you'll need it). Read a book (clearly you lack education).

PS..."devistated" is spelled devestated. Rocks in glass houses...
Proof that bills are not passed to assist American citizens because of the fear that illigal aliens may benefit.

I was referring to your idea that illegal aliens are somehow a decoy to deflect attention from other issues.

PS...'devistated' is spelled devastated...we were both wrong. Guess we have the same education level, eh?

You did not answer the most important question...would you put the health and well-being of your children behind that of an illegal alien?
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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You forgot to mention that you yourself said FIRST that you are only a high school graduate.
......and?

So what? It's not something to be ashamed of.

The majority of Americans over age 25 have finished high school (80.4%). The majority of Americans over 25 do not have a bachelor's (or higher) degree either (75.6%).

Source: Census 2000

You can hide behind your computer screen and say you're educated all you want, but from the content of your posts there is one major quality that you lack that most educated folks are supposed to have.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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......and?

So what? It's not something to be ashamed of.

The majority of Americans over age 25 have finished high school (80.4%). The majority of Americans over 25 do not have a bachelor's (or higher) degree either (75.6%).

Source: Census 2000

You can hide behind your computer screen and say you're educated all you want, but from the content of your posts there is one major quality that you lack that most educated folks are supposed to have.
I never said being a high school graduate was something to be ashamed of but when someone can't rationalize a situation with any degree of accuracy or common sense then perhaps that high school education wasn't enough.

I never said what my educational background was. I am missing the "quality" of advocating illegal aliens in our country? Good! I have no desire for that so-called "quality".
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:01 AM
 
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Proof that bills are not passed to assist American citizens because of the fear that illigal aliens may benefit.

I was referring to your idea that illegal aliens are somehow a decoy to deflect attention from other issues.

PS...'devistated' is spelled devastated...we were both wrong. Guess we have the same education level, eh?

You did not answer the most important question...would you put the health and well-being of your children behind that of an illegal alien?
Per the "deflect attention", we can turn to Joe Wilson. His now infamous "You lie" statement was the rallying cry of both 9/12ers and the insurance industry. However, the bill did not include illegal immigrants. The wording specifically excluded them. Still, support was garnered against the bill. Why? Because the fear induced in people meant that would be less receptive to the program and ultimately not change our current system. Private insurance companies finance these "grassroots" protest in order to stave off competition. Illegal immigration was used to falsely galvanize support for keeping the status quo.

The bold, again contains a huge flaw. It implies that there are only two plausible outcomes. That I do put the health and well-being of my children first, or I don't. Plus, this question is rooted in an emotional appeal. Obviously my child. However, I would also make sure that others (be they legal or not) are able to have an equal opportunity for success. This is much like the same concept of public education. Parents want success for their own children, but feel that others deserve the same opportunities as well.

As for the spelling, whoops, that's a gaffe...
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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I never said being a high school graduate was something to be ashamed of but when someone can't rationalize a situation with any degree of accuracy or common sense then perhaps that high school education wasn't enough.

I never said what my educational background was. I am missing the "quality" of advocating illegal aliens in our country? Good! I have no desire for that so-called "quality".
What is your educational background? Since you seem to exhibit the bolded statement...
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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Proof that bills are not passed to assist American citizens because of the fear that illigal aliens may benefit.

I was referring to your idea that illegal aliens are somehow a decoy to deflect attention from other issues.

PS...'devistated' is spelled devastated...we were both wrong. Guess we have the same education level, eh?

You did not answer the most important question...would you put the health and well-being of your children behind that of an illegal alien?
The Senate Finance Committee did not pass the H.R. bill with a public option partly due to the debacle with illegal immigration (which we know is false).
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Per the "deflect attention", we can turn to Joe Wilson. His now infamous "You lie" statement was the rallying cry of both 9/12ers and the insurance industry. However, the bill did not include illegal immigrants. The wording specifically excluded them. Still, support was garnered against the bill. Why? Because the fear induced in people meant that would be less receptive to the program and ultimately not change our current system. Private insurance companies finance these "grassroots" protest in order to stave off competition. Illegal immigration was used to falsely galvanize support for keeping the status quo.

The bold, again contains a huge flaw. It implies that there are only two plausible outcomes. That I do put the health and well-being of my children first, or I don't. Plus, this question is rooted in an emotional appeal. Obviously my child. However, I would also make sure that others (be they legal or not) are able to have an equal opportunity for success. This is much like the same concept of public education. Parents want success for their own children, but feel that others deserve the same opportunities as well.

As for the spelling, whoops, that's a gaffe...
If a bill excludes a group, yet has no provisions to prevent them from being included, are they actually excluded?
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