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Old 11-12-2009, 03:16 PM
 
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Please, how many Illegal relatives do you have here. You don't stop stray cats from feeding in your back yard by leaving out food.

We can roll out all the numbers over and over again but Illegals Aliens cost the US tax payers BILLIONS each year.
None actually. On my father's father's side...we've been here since colonial times. I can trace back all the way to the mid 1700s. And I wouldn't spray cats or kick them or do anything to harm another being.

Again you focus on the short term without thinking of the long term implications. How do we budget for deportation? How do effectively find illegal immigrants? How do militarize the border cheaply...The answer is that it makes more sense to educate and foster a means of contingent amnesty.

For example what if we allow those that obtained their bachelor's degree amnesty?

 
Old 11-12-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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None actually. On my father's father's side...we've been here since colonial times. I can trace back all the way to the mid 1700s. And I wouldn't spray cats or kick them or do anything to harm another being.

Again you focus on the short term without thinking of the long term implications. How do we budget for deportation? How do effectively find illegal immigrants? How do militarize the border cheaply...The answer is that it makes more sense to educate and foster a means of contingent amnesty.

For example what if we allow those that obtained their bachelor's degree amnesty?
The same way we budget for anything else in this country. The end result/long term implications would be a net gain in tax dollars anyway. Who said we had to militarize the border cheaply? Having a military has never been cheap but a necessity. This isn't about "cheaper" anyway. It is making a priority the rule of law and retaining jobs and benefits for Americans and not adding millions of uneducated, unskilled peasants to our population.

If e-verify is implemented across the board we won't have to "find" illegals they will self-deport without jobs especially if we make it clear there will be no amnesty. That along with slamming the hammer down on all employers whether they be large or small in implementing large fines and prison time for hiring illegals will take care of most of the illegal alien problem. We need to end the anchor baby fiasco also and demand proof of citizenship in order for anyone to qualify for taxpayer benefits. Problem solved!
 
Old 11-12-2009, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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wow. what a crappy article.

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They are among the estimated 2.5 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.
Umm, 2.5 Million illegals? Yeah, right. More like 25 Million.

It's also not "only" 75% from Latin America. The last numbers I heard were well above over 80%. The source is
Hispanic American Center for Economic Research (http://www.hacer.org/current/US313.php - broken link). Can't take them seriously.
 
Old 11-12-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Houston
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None actually. On my father's father's side...we've been here since colonial times. I can trace back all the way to the mid 1700s. And I wouldn't spray cats or kick them or do anything to harm another being.

Again you focus on the short term without thinking of the long term implications. How do we budget for deportation? How do effectively find illegal immigrants? How do militarize the border cheaply...The answer is that it makes more sense to educate and foster a means of contingent amnesty.

For example what if we allow those that obtained their bachelor's degree amnesty?

Obtained it where? Yeah, we can give amnesty to those 10 people. I'd be ok with that.
 
Old 11-12-2009, 04:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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None actually. On my father's father's side...we've been here since colonial times. I can trace back all the way to the mid 1700s. And I wouldn't spray cats or kick them or do anything to harm another being.

Again you focus on the short term without thinking of the long term implications. How do we budget for deportation? How do effectively find illegal immigrants? How do militarize the border cheaply...The answer is that it makes more sense to educate and foster a means of contingent amnesty.

For example what if we allow those that obtained their bachelor's degree amnesty?
All of those answers are simple if it weren't for the fact that most Illegals are Hispanic and the race card has been used to champion profiling laws, right to work laws and a slew of other things. I truly wish the Illegal population was a balanced mix so they couldn't hide behind the race card.

If a Govt agency employee can approach an American citizen and demand to see a license AT WILL we should be able to approach a day laborer with the same zest asking for some of the same documentation. Total bunch of hooieee.

Your idea of throwing money after money decade after decade makes no sense unless we can enforce the border enough that it stops. How many uneducated peasants do you think the US can tolerate before the bar gets lowered for everyone?
 
Old 11-12-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I never mentioned race. You stated all these objections to Spanish. AngryTax dude posts his hatred of ESL. You post and repost how assimilation is not happening.

If they were English speaking Canadians, many would not object as much. Richer country, English speakers...that's all my point.
Yes, you did mention race. YOU mentioned spanish, in your post number 15.
 
Old 11-12-2009, 09:19 PM
 
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Obtained it where? Yeah, we can give amnesty to those 10 people. I'd be ok with that.
Actually it's more than 10. I personally know about 12 from UCSB alone.
 
Old 11-12-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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Yes, you did mention race. YOU mentioned spanish, in your post number 15.
Spanish is a language...not a race. You can be of any race and speak Spanish. I never mentioned race. You do know the difference between language and race correct?
 
Old 11-12-2009, 09:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Spanish is a language...not a race. You can be of any race and speak Spanish. I never mentioned race. You do know the difference between language and race correct?

I thought it also meant you were born in Spain...
 
Old 11-12-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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All of those answers are simple if it weren't for the fact that most Illegals are Hispanic and the race card has been used to champion profiling laws, right to work laws and a slew of other things. I truly wish the Illegal population was a balanced mix so they couldn't hide behind the race card.

If a Govt agency employee can approach an American citizen and demand to see a license AT WILL we should be able to approach a day laborer with the same zest asking for some of the same documentation. Total bunch of hooieee.

Your idea of throwing money after money decade after decade makes no sense unless we can enforce the border enough that it stops. How many uneducated peasants do you think the US can tolerate before the bar gets lowered for everyone?
Again, patroling the borders and deporation would be throwing money decade after decade without any pay out. With my idea, you create and foster a middle class, you allow success in order for people to pay their taxes...there is a pay out.
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