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Old 11-13-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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Apparently you don’t realize that “some” of the foreigners breaching our border security, and overstaying visas, are in fact rapists and drunk drivers. Some are even murderers. You can’t state that these issues are separate from illegal immigration, unless there are NO illegal aliens committing these acts.

Okay? Should we abort kids since they may end up being rapists? Should we destroy all cars to end drunk driving? Of course not. The issue is seperate from illegal immigration. Those things are on an individual basis not on a group basis.

Allow employers to “sponsor” illegal aliens and pay a fine? Isn’t that defeating the purpose of having immigration laws? Are you advocating indentured servitude? We have laws and they need to be enforced. If foreigners are unable to enter this country through legal channels, or insist on overstaying visas, there are consequences for their decisions. They should not be rewarded, nor should they be embraced.

Not really. I never mentioned how much the fine would be. Initially sponsoring a person is the ideal means. This should include a background check done quickly and effciently. Those that fail are then ineligible to obtain sponsorship. Indentured servitude implies a form of slavery. I can't even fathom the logic used to come up with this.

This is not a reward. Certain conditions must be met.

 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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What? Even the lowest estimates found everywhere agree that we have at least 12 milion illegals in our country.
Absolutely! And they have been using those same 12 million figures for the past 10 years. I guess no new illegals have come since then. We all know that the figure is much greater than they claim. The last thing they want is for the citizens of this country to know the true magnitude of this invasion. For all we know, there might be 40 million.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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What? Even the lowest estimates found everywhere agree that we have at least 12 milion illegals in our country.
The peak was roughly 11.8 million. With the down economy (starting in 2007 with the massive construction slowdown) the figure is probably closer to 10 million. This is according to USA News, Hispanic Pew, CIS.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Okay? Should we abort kids since they may end up being rapists? Should we destroy all cars to end drunk driving? .
This is too ridiculous for words.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:17 AM
 
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Even the article stated that El Paso is at risk.

No it's not. Wouldn't have been in greater risk in Jan during the height of the conflicts?

If discussing Mexico: it would be more of a takeover, lock, stock and barrel; which would entail the phaseout of any aspect of Mexican/Hispanic law/culture that conflicts with US law/culture----------up to and the suppression of Spanish. Face it: the stronger society would prevail--------and, it ain't Mexico.

Doesn't make sense...post something that actually makes sense. I sometimes wonder how you come up with these things.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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This is too ridiculous for words.
That's my point...that's the same argument you have. That's the same logic you used though.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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That's my point...that's the same argument you have. That's the same logic you used though.
Obviously you didn’t understand my comments. Perhaps later.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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Obviously you didn’t understand my comments. Perhaps later.
I do that's why I posted that statement since YOU posted the same type of ridiculous argument. I think you don't realize that...

I'll go slower...

If A group enter, they can commit B (this will be our template).

If (Babies) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (illegal immigrants) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (blone haired people) enter, they can commit (rape)

However, we know that that these attributes do not commit the rape, rather its the individual. The word "can" implies that there is uncertainty. The reason is because more intrinsic variables play a bigger role (mental health, stability, etc.) vs. these larger groupings.

So that's why your logic is flawed. It's simply too broad.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Even the article stated that El Paso is at risk.

No it's not. Wouldn't have been in greater risk in Jan during the height of the conflicts?

If discussing Mexico: it would be more of a takeover, lock, stock and barrel; which would entail the phaseout of any aspect of Mexican/Hispanic law/culture that conflicts with US law/culture----------up to and the suppression of Spanish. Face it: the stronger society would prevail--------and, it ain't Mexico.

Doesn't make sense...post something that actually makes sense. I sometimes wonder how you come up with these things.
I stand by what I stated.

Mexico is showing signs of dying and; it would not wise to ignore an unstable country smack dab next door to the USA easily accessed via land. Either we wall Mexico off or we annex large swaths of it-------with the blessings of an increasingly pissed/frightened Mx populace who no longer put any faith in their present government.

The Day of Reckoning is approaching------------fast.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I do that's why I posted that statement since YOU posted the same type of ridiculous argument. I think you don't realize that...

I'll go slower...

If A group enter, they can commit B (this will be our template).

If (Babies) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (illegal immigrants) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (blone haired people) enter, they can commit (rape)

However, we know that that these attributes do not commit the rape, rather its the individual. The word "can" implies that there is uncertainty. The reason is because more intrinsic variables play a bigger role (mental health, stability, etc.) vs. these larger groupings.

So that's why your logic is flawed. It's simply too broad.
Does it matter?

Illegal aliens are criminals and need to be dealt with accordingly. Seize their assets then pitch 'em out of the USA with the proviso if caught here again illegally--------into prison they go.
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