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Old 11-13-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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I stand by what I stated.

I know you do...even though it's completely false. However, you can hold to whatever false belief you like.

Mexico is showing signs of dying and; it would not wise to ignore an unstable country smack dab next door to the USA easily accessed via land. Either we wall Mexico off or we annex large swaths of it-------with the blessings of an increasingly pissed/frightened Mx populace who no longer put any faith in their present government.

The Day of Reckoning is approaching------------fast.

This again, is so far off the norm, that I will say again you are entitled to your beliefs...

 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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Does it matter?

Illegal aliens are criminals and need to be dealt with accordingly. Seize their assets then pitch 'em out of the USA with the proviso if caught here again illegally--------into prison they go.
It does. We should not conduct public policy on such a basis.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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I do that's why I posted that statement since YOU posted the same type of ridiculous argument. I think you don't realize that...

I'll go slower...

If A group enter, they can commit B (this will be our template).

If (Babies) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (illegal immigrants) enter, they can commit (rape)

If (blone haired people) enter, they can commit (rape)

However, we know that that these attributes do not commit the rape, rather its the individual. The word "can" implies that there is uncertainty. The reason is because more intrinsic variables play a bigger role (mental health, stability, etc.) vs. these larger groupings.

So that's why your logic is flawed. It's simply too broad.
You can slow this down to a crawl, but it still will not hold water.

You can NOT claim that illegal immigration and criminal behavior are separate issues as long as illegal aliens engage in criminal behavior. We know for a fact that a percentage of illegal aliens are in fact rapists and drunk drivers. I really don’t know why you are belaboring the issue.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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You can slow this down to a crawl, but it still will not hold water.

You can NOT claim that illegal immigration and criminal behavior are separate issues as long as illegal aliens engage in criminal behavior. We know for a fact that a percentage of illegal aliens are in fact rapists and drunk drivers. I really don’t know why you are belaboring the issue.
It is what he does all the time. Throwing up nonsensical arguments is his forte. That is why I intend to ignore most of his posts.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 11:15 AM
 
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You can slow this down to a crawl, but it still will not hold water.

You can NOT claim that illegal immigration and criminal behavior are separate issues as long as illegal aliens engage in criminal behavior. We know for a fact that a percentage of illegal aliens are in fact rapists and drunk drivers. I really don’t know why you are belaboring the issue.
We don't know for a fact...
 
Old 11-13-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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It is what he does all the time. Throwing up nonsensical arguments is his forte. That is why I intend to ignore most of his posts.
You are def. confused...you are thinking about yourself. It's funny since you, to put it bluntly, have among the worst arguments and present them in such a horrible manner that it kind derserves to be mocked.

For example your main argument concerning models of cultural assimilation was "I'm American, thus I inherently know". So I mean, I put up nonsensical arguments?

Oh, with David, to dismiss him you outright claimed that his high school education was a hinderance (instead of staying on topic). You had a classic ad hominen attack...not even relevant to the conversation.

Another time, you were fixated my posting style...again instead of staying on topic.

Once you commented on how dangerous Escondido was. I pointed out the methedology which would skew the result. You only retort was to repost the link.

So I'm sorry, but you really REALLY are bad at this.

Benicar, we don't have know for a fact. What we do know is that on the average Hispanics typically fall at the national median for incarceration. The data does not state whether legal or not. Hispanics do comprise the majority of illegal immigrants. Roughly 16% of Hispanics in the US are illegal (since Hispanics constitute 15% of the US population and illegal immigrants are numbered about 10 million). So it stands to reason illegal immigrants are MOST likely to follow the majority of Hispanics. Therefore, MOST likely illegal immigrants are incarcerated at the national average. 16% is big enough to skew the data towards being higher or lower than the national average (7.5 million people).

We know that economics play a structural role in crime. We know that mental health plays an individual role in crime (can be tied back to economics, since one is less likely to recieve treatment if one is lower in the socio-eonomic stratum). Yet, we don't know how illegal immigration plays in violent crimes (rape, murder, assult).
 
Old 11-13-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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We don't know for a fact...
You make this entirely too easy. These are a few of the countless rapes and DUIs committed by illegal aliens.

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A year before Prince William County police say he raped an 8-year-old girl, court documents show an illegal immigrant from Honduras was released by Montgomery County police after being arrested for second-degree assault.
Illegal immigrant charged with child rape had been released a year earlier after assault arrest | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Illegal-immigrant-charged-with-child-rape-had-been-released-a-year-earlier-after-assault-arrest-43443292.html - broken link)

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An illegal Mexican immigrant will be deported after he serves an 18-year sentence for raping a 12-year-old girl, according to a state prosecutor.

Martin Santos, 26, has been jailed since his arrest in July 2006, when the girl went to a clinic and a blood test revealed she was three months pregnant.

Santos pleaded guilty to two counts of rape and related charges Tuesday in Washington County Criminal Court for a total of 18 years in prison.
Illegal immigrant pleads guilty to rape of 12-year-old - Kingsport Times-News Online

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Forty-year-old Jose Amaya pleaded guilty Thursday in Stamford Superior Court. The plea bargain calls for him to serve 20 years in prison. Sentencing is set for Jan. 21.

Darien police say Amaya and Alejandro Mendez assaulted the then-38-year-old woman and forced her into their vehicle as she was jogging, then drove to a secluded spot and sexually assaulted her. Police say the woman later escaped.

Prosecutors say both men were illegal immigrants who worked as day laborers in Norwalk.
Man pleads guilty to raping Conn. jogger- The New Haven Register - Serving New Haven, Connecticut

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Bernardo Lagunes Torres, 17, of Mount Holly, was sentenced to 15-18 years in prison for raping a 2-year-old girl and a 7-year-old boy. He pleaded guilty to charges including first-degree statutory rape and first-degree sex offense with a child Wednesday in Gaston County Superior Court.

Torres, an illegal immigrant, will be deported at the conclusion of his prison sentence and never be allowed to re-enter the United States, Bell said.
2 Gaston County teens plead guilty to raping children ages 2 and 7 | raping, guilty, old - Local News - Gaston Gazette

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CINCINNATI -- A drunk driver with a history of offenses received the maximum sentence Saturday for killing a couple from Cincinnati.The crash occurred in Florida last June.

Illegal immigrant Jesus Bernal admitted he was drunk when he crashed his pickup into James and Margie Rook.

Bernal had two prior DUI convictions, and the judge sentenced him to 55 years in prison after he pleaded guilty last week to three counts of DUI manslaughter and two counts of DUI with serious bodily injury.
Drunk Driver Gets 55 Years For Killing Tri-State Couple - Cincinnati News Story - WLWT Cincinnati (http://www.wlwt.com/news/14504576/detail.html - broken link)

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Aiken County authorities are holding an illegal immigrant for federal officials after his arrest this week for drunk driving and failure to stop for blue lights.
The Jail Report: Illegal Immigrant Driving Drunk in Aiken County

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Police said Figueroa was responding to a shots fired call, near 19th Avenue and Roeser Road when Vivas-Diaz crashed into his patrol car. Investigators said Vivas-Diaz apparently had been drinking. He was held for investigation of manslaughter and other charges.

Court documents said Vivas-Diaz had been deported previously and that he had used different names.

Meanwhile, the head of the Phoenix police union called for tougher measures to deal with illegal immigrants.
KTAR.com - Officer's death prompts call for tougher policies
 
Old 11-13-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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(I hate these things, but this will work). I can post the same thing for ONLY blondes. Still doesn't prove your point. In fact, just shows a lack of understanding of what I mean. You put up individual crimes, and did not show a trend. You can do the same thing for any group and say "See! Blondes do commit crimes!!!" That wasn't the point. We established that illegal immigrants are human, and thus commit violent crimes. However, the point was at what RATE. Do you see the difference?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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You can post that ALL day till the cows come home, but it doesn't prove a thing, since there is nothing concerning the actual RATE.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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(I hate these things, but this will work). I can post the same thing for ONLY blondes. Still doesn't prove your point. In fact, just shows a lack of understanding of what I mean. You put up individual crimes, and did not show a trend. You can do the same thing for any group and say "See! Blondes do commit crimes!!!" That wasn't the point. We established that illegal immigrants are human, and thus commit violent crimes. However, the point was at what RATE. Do you see the difference?
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You can post that ALL day till the cows come home, but it doesn't prove a thing, since there is nothing concerning the actual RATE.
The percentage of crimes committed by illegal aliens is totally irrelevant. Who cares what the trends may or may not be? The fact remains they do commit rape and DUIs, as well as other crimes. You are fighting a losing battle. Learn when to fold.
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