Why did they change the Arizona law and remove the words "soley"and "race"

[Mrbiggleswurth]

Originally Posted by minesbroken

Of course race is one factor...are you living in fantasy land?
how many Asian Mexicans do you know?
see many Black guys hopping over the fence into Arizona?
How about white guys?
of course its a factor...
they just don't want to be baited into a racial argument
taking note of someones ethnicity is not racism
you obviously cant separate the two
that's why they changed the name of the stupid law
because people like you will always try to pull out the race card.
you have an astute knack for the obvious but fail to grasp the reality
that it's not a perfect world where one decision can be made and everyone will be happy with it and take it at face value.
yet somehow despite your antics and opinions
the majority ruled that this is what they wanted
making your opinion much like your argument
a moot point.

That's interesting because your buddy claims that race is not a factor in this law. Whom should I believe?

[Sunshadow]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

You stated that the original version mirrored federal law. The original version allowed for race to be used as a criteria, so as long as it was not the sole factor. Show me the federal law that allows race to be used as a factor. You can't, you fail again, now resort to conservative rule #1 and #2. I'm surprised you didn't call me a Communist or Terrorist. You are predictable for the most part however.

Obviously you didn't bother to read the links I provided for you, with the hope that you would realize the ridiculousness of your position.

Once again, I made no claim that the federal law allows race to be used as a factor. That's something that's coming out of your twisted mind. Show me where in the original law (SB 1070 ) it states that race was allowed to be used as a criteria, as long as it wasn't the sole factor, and I will show you where it was explicitly stated that race was NOT to be used as a factor at all. Read the damn law, and get your facts straight, instead of continuing to make a fool and an idiot of yourself.

Racial profiling is something that law enforcement uses all the time to apprehend those who break the law. When the description of a criminal is released, doesn't law enforcement state the race of the suspect?

When law enforcement is looking for a white suspect, they don't stop and question someone who is black. Do you understand that...or is it beyond your limited intellectual ability? When we're talking about illegals in Arizona, it is simple common sense that we would look at hispanics. That's not racial profiling.

If anyone is predictable here, it would have to be you....and by the way, I don't subscribe to your idiotic conservative rules. Who died and made you the rule-maker anyway? I have a suggestion of what you can do with your moronic "rules." Ask me, and I'll tell you what it is.

Here's another link for you. Try engaging what little brain you have when you read it.....maybe you'll actually learn something of value for a change:

Arizona and 'Lawful Contact' - Andy McCarthy - The Corner on National Review Online=

[Sunshadow]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

That's interesting because your buddy claims that race is not a factor in this law. Whom should I believe?

Minesbroken is right about race being a factor...but only in the sense that, in Arizona, the race of an illegal is most likely to be hispanic. There's that common sense thing again!!

However, what he was referring to was reality....something that you don't seem to have a very good grasp of. I'm pointing out to you...even though you appear to be too obtuse to get it....is that the law itself doesn't allow for race.

Therefore, you should believe both of us, since both of us are right, and you're just scrabbling to hold on to some semblance of coherence in order to salvage what little credibility you thought you had.

Give it up. You lose.

[Mrbiggleswurth]

Originally Posted by Sunshadow

Show me where in the original law (SB 1070 ) it states that race was allowed to be used as a criteria, as long as it wasn't the sole factor, and I will show you where it was explicitly stated that race was NOT to be used as a factor at all. Read the damn law, and get your facts straight, instead of continuing to make a fool and an idiot of yourself.


Minesbroken is right about race being a factor

Racial profiling is something that law enforcement uses all the time to apprehend those who break the law. When the description of a criminal is released, doesn't law enforcement state the race of the suspect

When we're talking about illegals in Arizona, it is simple common sense that we would look at hispanics. That's not racial profiling.

Give it up. You lose.

Conservative rule # 7, contradict self as much as possible

[AZLiam]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Wrong, again. The original law stated that race can not be "solely" used as probable cause. Look up the definition of solely. You are the one that supports racial profiling, and I'm the bigot?? Rich.
Show me the wording of the federal law that allows race to be used as one factor for probable cause. Didn't think so. Can't you think of any other conservative rules to use besides ad hominem attacks?

Perhaps it was weakness profiling. I know I am sick and tired of people trying to find any 'loophole' to get around 'understanding' a law and instead use that loophole to somehow benefit them.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Ceece

Laws, their wordings, are changed all the time. New laws go through many many versions before being accepted. Sometimes when certain "what if" scenarios are played out with a law in mind it can reveal things that may not be the intent of the law, so we change it. This is nothing new and it's not a sign of anything in particular. It's always better to start with the best instead of waiting for something unfortunate to happen and then trying not only to change wordings in a law but also restore life and liberty to innocent people who get caught in something they never should have been caught in. It's harder then too because so many of us just want to say "it's the LAW" without giving thougt to why that is.

Thank you. A short, sweet and to the point answer.

[minesbroken]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

That's interesting because your buddy claims that race is not a factor in this law. Whom should I believe?

race is a factor...racism isn't.
He doesn't want to be drawn into your baited argument.
cant say I blame him.

[minesbroken]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Conservative rule # 7, contradict self as much as possible

actually he didn't contradict himself, you got it wrong as you did with me before.

he clearly said that although in reality race is a factor...the law itself doesn't allow for this

that's not a contradiction its common sense
you would do well to calm down enough to notice the difference.
they say the tree that doesn't bend...breaks.

You cant win this argument the majority is against you, you can only tout your opinion. you havent proven anyone wrong here...your just getting desperate.
and it shows.

[Yac]

Just a quick warning folks: first one to continue with personal attacks here will win a prize, a luxurious 3 day forum restriction. Those who follow will too, actually.
Now back on topic, which isn't "You are stupid, I know better" btw, in case no one noticed.
Yac.