How Speaker Madigan elbows aside Illinois taxpayers (new home, incomes)

[Jon998877]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

And my guess is those families didn’t just abandon those houses—the houses probably sold, meaning they were replaced by other people/families.

So you do not see the problem with wealthier residents leaving the state??? LOL

Just like you do not see jobs leaving the state as a problem?

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by Jon998877

So you do not see the problem with wealthier residents leaving the state??? LOL

Just like you do not see jobs leaving the state as a problem?

...you didn’t get the point.

[pvande55]

Originally Posted by Jon998877

So you do not see the problem with wealthier residents leaving the state??? LOL

Just like you do not see jobs leaving the state as a problem?

I think employment in IL actually increased in the past year. But, yes, I remember those TV ads where Rauner proudly boasted of the jobs leaving since he took office.http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-96146671/

[Jon998877]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

...you didn’t get the point.

I totally do, you do not see the problem with people making well above average incomes leaving the state. Regardless of who buys the house, the average income of the state goes down when people like that leave, that is just mathematical.. And poor people are not leaving because the benefits they are receiving is better here..

But hey, lets keep giving Madigan and the Democrats the key to the castle because thats obviously working out so well

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by Jon998877

I totally do, you do not see the problem with people making well above average incomes leaving the state. Regardless of who buys the house, the average income of the state goes down when people like that leave, that is just mathematical..

...No, it isn't.

You stipulated

Originally Posted by Jon998877

we have had 3 families within 2 blocks of us move because they are tired of the high taxes so their revenue is gone forever.

. But if your block isn't emptying out, then someone else bought the house...

First, there's a lot of money spent in the moving process (hiring people, packing material, contract severances), which (for better or for worse) is stimulating to a local economy. Second, if the family or single individual who purchase the house are at or above the income level of those who sold, the "average income of the state" (I assume you mean gross household income) actually goes up. It happens all the time in areas of high turnaround across the United States...

Without any evidence that poor people moved into the houses on your block, you cannot make the assertion that you are making to support your rhetoric.

[Jon998877]

And if you don't think people with the means to flee the state are, you need to unwedge your head from the sand..

[Maintainschaos]

So...if you can't make a cogent argument for your previous assertion, just change the argument. Okay.

[smegmatite]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

I'm kind of tied to Illinois for work and family. Don't really have a choice.

you always have a choice

[smegmatite]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

...No, it isn't.

You stipulated . But if your block isn't emptying out, then someone else bought the house...

First, there's a lot of money spent in the moving process (hiring people, packing material, contract severances), which (for better or for worse) is stimulating to a local economy. Second, if the family or single individual who purchase the house are at or above the income level of those who sold, the "average income of the state" (I assume you mean gross household income) actually goes up. It happens all the time in areas of high turnaround across the United States...

Without any evidence that poor people moved into the houses on your block, you cannot make the assertion that you are making to support your rhetoric.

yes if you sell your home its likely that someone with equal means will move in however most upper middle class buyers that sell their homes would "move up" to a more expensive home, if they leave the state well that potential income is gone... i just took my family's 15k a year of state income taxes and my 15k a year of property taxes and god knows how much of sales taxes outta this state just a month ago. I know I'm not alone.

[damba]

Originally Posted by smegmatite

yes if you sell your home its likely that someone with equal means will move in however most upper middle class buyers that sell their homes would "move up" to a more expensive home, if they leave the state well that potential income is gone... i just took my family's 15k a year of state income taxes and my 15k a year of property taxes and god knows how much of sales taxes outta this state just a month ago. I know I'm not alone.

Not necessarily. People move across the country all the time for jobs, even those with upper middle class incomes in established homes.


Your argument really is somewhat of a red herring.