Illnois debt rated BBB- = JUNK (Chicago: real estate, homeowners insurance, appliances)

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink

1) Agreed

2) Didn't say that, I want production of essential items to be diversified around the world, not concentrated in one country, which puts us at huge risk - with some "minimal" amount made here

3) Yet I see everyone with a smart phone, legal m-jay, big-screen TV, booze, cigarettes, upscale nails, Air Jordans, etc.. Priorities are upside down in the U.S.. Dried beans and white rice lasts indefinitely if stored properly and is very cheap; maybe long-term food staples are what the Gub'mint should be providing right now instead of cash that will go to extra whacky tobacky for many folks. This disease is attacking people of color disproportionately, and part of the reason is as stated - inferior health care, jobs that cannot be worked from home, etc. - but you'll notice deafening silence on the subject of pre-existing conditions like diabetes, that can traced directly back to poor lifestyle choices, such as obesity. To hype one side of it while being politically correct on the other is dishonesty personified. Bottom line, got a lot of respect for those Mormons for their foresight and practicality. I've been looking for a state to enact my "Escape from New York (but really Illinois)" for some time, Utah has gained points in my mind from this crisis, will re-evaluate after all the data is in.

2) Free markets at play! So let em play

3) I’m not even going to touch this one. Broad generalizations and stereotypes. There’s a reason food banks are swamped right now and it isn’t because all these people bought a pair of Air Jordan’s. Smh

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[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

3) Many Americans can barely afford food for a week and you expect them to build a 6 month stockpile?

Keep in mind that it's going to take time to build up a 6-month "stockpile" of groceries. You don't just go out and buy them all at once. Every time you shop, you pick up just a few extras -- like maybe $10 worth of canned goods a week, or whatever works for you. Once you've got a decent amount of food storage, you start using up what you've got, rotating what's in storage with new purchases so that everything doesn't end up expiring before you can use it up. It's a very logical, sensible approach when handled that way.

[Curly Q. Bobalink]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Keep in mind that it's going to take time to build up a 6-month "stockpile" of groceries. You don't just go out and buy them all at once. Every time you shop, you pick up just a few extras -- like maybe $10 worth of canned goods a week, or whatever works for you. Once you've got a decent amount of food storage, you start using up what you've got, rotating what's in storage with new purchases so that everything doesn't end up expiring before you can use it up. It's a very logical, sensible approach when handled that way.

Katz, do "most" Mormon families still follow basic preparedness, or is that considered an old-fashioned concept today? I remember my aunt and uncle having five gallon buckets of flour, grains, maybe seeds, shelves of canned goods, etc. that they would rotate as your described. If you make something a priority, it seems to get done. If you don't, we're seeing results of that right now. Mother Nature can be a cruel influence, and doesn't tend to take it easy on the unprepared.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Keep in mind that it's going to take time to build up a 6-month "stockpile" of groceries. You don't just go out and buy them all at once. Every time you shop, you pick up just a few extras -- like maybe $10 worth of canned goods a week, or whatever works for you. Once you've got a decent amount of food storage, you start using up what you've got, rotating what's in storage with new purchases so that everything doesn't end up expiring before you can use it up. It's a very logical, sensible approach when handled that way.

My family of four cleared out our entire pantry and fridge in two weeks. How much storage space would one need for a 6 month supply of food?!? You realize most families living paycheck to paycheck and visiting food banks right now live in tiny apartments right?

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

2) Free markets at play! So let em play

Sure. Let them play with taxpayer money. That's why they can play. It is not a free market when corporations aren't allowed to fail. When they do fail, they are propped up with public funds. That is a socialized market. Which is what we are witnessing int he stock market. Public funds are propping up a capitalist system. Therefore it is no long a capitalist system. It has been socialized.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Sure. Let them play with taxpayer money. That's why they can play. It is not a free market when corporations aren't allowed to fail. When they do fail, they are propped up with public funds. That is a socialized market. Which is what we are witnessing int he stock market. Public funds are propping up a capitalist system. Therefore it is no long a capitalist system. It has been socialized.

My comment was sarcastic. GOP always touts capitalism! What we are doing and trying to do here is anything but that. It’s all manipulated. We just have a better/more creative way of hiding it than say a country like China.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink

Katz, do "most" Mormon families still follow basic preparedness, or is that considered an old-fashioned concept today? I remember my aunt and uncle having five gallon buckets of flour, grains, maybe seeds, shelves of canned goods, etc. that they would rotate as your described. If you make something a priority, it seems to get done. If you don't, we're seeing results of that right now. Mother Nature can be a cruel influence, and doesn't tend to take it easy on the unprepared.

It's really hard to say. Most practicing ones probably at least make an effort. I definitely don't think most consider it to be an old-fashioned concept. I know it's not continually emphasized today like it was, say, 20 years ago, but it's still definitely encouraged. My husband and I had a very small amount of storage, but nowhere near what we probably should have had. When this is all over, I think we'll probably start taking it a bit more seriously. My sister-in-law and brother-in-law, on the other hand, probably could feed both themselves and both of their grown kids and all of their grandkids on what they had stored.

[bobsell]

Originally Posted by Sunbiz1

Apparently you are missing the paradox of leaving liquor and tobacco stores open.

Well, there are plenty of cronies in those industries who bought the correct politicians.

Originally Posted by MSchemist80

China is a corrupt, corny capitalist society.

So is the United States. We have a cronyocracy here. But at least we have more human rights here than in China, so that's a huge plus.

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

2) Free markets at play! So let em play

I wish we had free markets. We have crony capitalism here.

[Nodpete]

Originally Posted by Nodpete

I'm wondering how IL. is going make up all the lost tax dollars from the virus. Sales tax, gas tax, lotto income, weed tax, income tax, investment income, business tax, convention income, tourism, the list goes on and on. Chicago will be hit the hardest and they are already at the upper limit of raising fees and taxes so it will be interesting what they do. Plus, you can bet the Porky will be pushing his "fair tax" so they can raise the income tax rate on everybody. Going to be fun to watch.

Told ya ! Posted this back on March 29th.

[Grlzrl]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

Can't wait to see if they still try to raise state taxes 67% during all of this. I will take yes if anyone wants to bet.

Same.