JB on CV (Chicago: spring break, closing, shop)

[dtcbnd03]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

Unbelievable. Let's pretend the virus isn't there, or that some good alcohol will kill it. Maybe Wisconsin will be the canary in the coalmine, but with our rate soaring, I wouldn't want to be the canary.This whole thing sucks, but making it worse is crazy. I was watching a doctor in a hospital who was a NBC correspondent who got it on a flight to New Orleans on TV, and he had a mask and gloves on and was really careful. Being in a bar with a bunch of careless drunks is a recipe for disaster, way more than usual now.

As for the idiotic comment about 50 year olds and the cavalier attitude on the loss of life, my view is that perhaps this virus will weed out the less intelligent among us.

You can shelter at home in fear if you want to...no one is stopping you. But you and others are stopping the rest of us from living our lives. Death rate under age 50 is minuscule as every single stat from every single source shows.

Btw 36 million jobs lost in two months. Nice work fear mongers.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

You can shelter at home in fear if you want to...no one is stopping you. But you and others are stopping the rest of us from living our lives. Death rate under age 50 is minuscule as every single stat from every single source shows.

Btw 36 million jobs lost in two months. Nice work fear mongers.

Job loss and bankruptcies will continue to mount even after we “reopen” the economy. It’s inevitable given the current global pandemic and the connectivity of our economy with the rest of the world. Our economy is largely built upon the consumer, and the consumer is not very confident right now.

[roodd279]

This isn't about death rate. The sooner people understand that, the less financial carnage you will endure.


Your chances of getting infected are roughly the same, regardless of age (assuming you're an adult). Your chances of having symptoms - impossible to know for sure, but estimates are 50% or less. FYI, about half of all folks showing up at the hospitals in NY for evaluation are age 43 OR LESS.


Death is not the driver here. Resources for non-dead-people is the driver. Please move your focus away from the mortality right for 30 flipping seconds.


If you get COVID - and your odds are good, since most of the "go out" folks are rooting for herd immunity, which means, most folks are infected - half of you will show symptoms and be out of work for a bit. About half of all the folks that show symptoms will end up at the hospital. If you TEST positive - your spouse will be out of work too. If more than about 1% of you get sick at once - there will be zero hospital beds left for any more. If you're lucky, you'll only be unemployed. Less than lucky, and you'll have permanent lung damage. But please, continue focusing on the super low death rate.



This is not - and never was - strictly about death. It was about resources.


This means that New York overcounting, or "any cause is COVID" or "hospitals get more money for respirators" or "death rate lower than we thought" - not ONE of those arguments is why we are locked down. It was always - quite simply - about resources for SICK people - not DEAD people - and it still is, and will remain so.


That's why - if you test positive - you can't be at work. 1 in 100 of us with symptoms right now will sink every hospital in the USA. Believe it. That's how it is.


But by all means - please head out into the wild and see how long you last. Maybe you'll be lucky - but it only means your spouse won't. It's a coin flip. Good luck.

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by roodd279

This isn't about death rate. The sooner people understand that, the less financial carnage you will endure.


Your chances of getting infected are roughly the same, regardless of age (assuming you're an adult). Your chances of having symptoms - impossible to know for sure, but estimates are 50% or less. FYI, about half of all folks showing up at the hospitals in NY for evaluation are age 43 OR LESS.


Death is not the driver here. Resources for non-dead-people is the driver. Please move your focus away from the mortality right for 30 flipping seconds.


If you get COVID - and your odds are good, since most of the "go out" folks are rooting for herd immunity, which means, most folks are infected - half of you will show symptoms and be out of work for a bit. About half of all the folks that show symptoms will end up at the hospital. If you TEST positive - your spouse will be out of work too. If more than about 1% of you get sick at once - there will be zero hospital beds left for any more. If you're lucky, you'll only be unemployed. Less than lucky, and you'll have permanent lung damage. But please, continue focusing on the super low death rate.



This is not - and never was - strictly about death. It was about resources.


This means that New York overcounting, or "any cause is COVID" or "hospitals get more money for respirators" or "death rate lower than we thought" - not ONE of those arguments is why we are locked down. It was always - quite simply - about resources for SICK people - not DEAD people - and it still is, and will remain so.


That's why - if you test positive - you can't be at work. 1 in 100 of us with symptoms right now will sink every hospital in the USA. Believe it. That's how it is.


But by all means - please head out into the wild and see how long you last. Maybe you'll be lucky - but it only means your spouse won't. It's a coin flip. Good luck.

Thanks. Very well thought out post.

I work for a company that has largely been working remotely the past two months, with a couple hundred people in our corporate offices, generally aged 25-70, with basically all the "most important" people at the company aged 45-70, and even many of those 45-70 have kids, teens, college kids anyway. I can't imagine if we had one or two people come in the office and get a good chunk of people sick at once. Even if 1/3 had bad symptoms, our operations would come to a standstill. Again, thankfully we can get our work done at home.

[dtcbnd03]

Resources are fine. That was focus of first 30 days. Remember this is the supposedly the most contagious virus of all time....so it's waaaaay more widespread than reported numbers. That's why there's no more talk of ventilators and McCormick place hospital is winding down. Why would they do that in the middle of a pandemic if resources were an issue??? Cause they're not. Open everything back up and let er rip! I'll take my chances. Those who don't want to can stay home.

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

Resources are fine.

Yes, because we've been on lockdown. It makes sense to do a gradual open in phases. That will keep resources at a manageable level

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

Open everything back up and let er rip!

This might be the dumbest thing you keep repeating, which is tough to do given the competition among the other dumb things you keep saying.

You've been saying the same things for 2 months, as an adult. Most people learn over the course of time.

During this quarantine, I've been able to potty train my 2 year old. It only took her 4 days to stop peeing down her leg during the day because she realized, "hmm, maybe I shouldn't do that." and realized that not peeing down her leg prevents a big mess. At some point we'll get her trained through the night and let her go without a diaper/pull-up at night, but we're doing it in phases because it's a risk-adjusted approach. We aren't just "letting it rip" You approach is the equivalent of us letting our 2 year old pee the bed because we've seen some level of improvement from her. Sure, at some point maybe there's an accident or two, but then you quickly clean that up and remind them of what they learned, just like the phases coming out of lockdown.

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

Remember this is the supposedly the most contagious virus of all time....

No way. Not even in the highest estimations of this Coronavirus R0 was it "supposedly the most contagious virus"...(see mumps and measles, e.g.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

[tribecavsbrowns]

Ireland is keeping pubs closed. I'm sure they're just doing it because they hate freedom, though...

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Ireland is keeping pubs closed. I'm sure they're just doing it because they hate freedom, though...

That’s JB’s fault too!

[nikitakolata]

So, with the number of deaths holding constant and the number of cases increasing (of course due to increased testing), do you feel that the stay at home order is working? What indicates that we're doing better than Sweden, for example? What stats show that things are getting better and we're moving towards the goal of (safely) re-opening the state?

Have we saved enough lives with this stay at home order to make up for the lives lost due to domestic violence, overdoses, and suicides? Have we done enough to make up for the kids in abusive homes who have undoubtedly been suffering now that their safe space (school) is gone?

We know this virus is most harmful to older adults and people with pre-existing conditions. Yet we don't seem to be doing an awesome job of keeping senior homes safe. Elderly in nursing homes account for nearly 50% of the deaths from what I have seen. This order hasn't helped those people at all from what I can tell as the death rate in nursing homes is similar in Sweden where they aren't taking things to the same level.