Illinoisans are hurting. (Washington, Albany, Pittsburg: hotels, layoffs, buy)

[Curly Q. Bobalink]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

It’s quite simple. Direct flights from the epicenter of the pandemic (Wuhan) as well as hundreds of other flights from China into cities like NYC, SF, Seattle, Chicago are what led to the huge outbreak in those cities from February thru April. Those cities were socked with community spread before they even realized what hit them. Don’t forget, no one knew how bad the outbreak was in February/March because we were way behind the curve on developing a test and even when we did finally develop a test we didn’t have enough of them to determine the severity of the outbreak. Once the hospitals started filling up and bodies started piling up it was already too late.

Do you know if this has been traced? I mean, once the infected from overseas got off their international flight, where did they go from there? Did they stay (for example) in NYC, or did they take a connecting flight somewhere else? I'm surprised I haven't seen an "infographic" on it yet, showing the spread of the infection in the U.S.. Also, in addition to flights from China, I read there were a large number of flights from Europe as well, especially Italy. And then, we had the re-patriation of our own citizens from around the world. Data scientists will be putting this story together for months or years to come (if we're smart), so we can learn how to handle the "next one".

New York, New Jersey, and I believe, Connecticut have the highest death rate (at least, so far). But it's not like we ever had a chance of "stopping" the spread, unless we implemented a complete travel ban from overseas, and even then, it could probably only have been slowed, not stopped. Again, I think the best we can hope for is to slow the spread such that it does not overwhelm the health system. Individuals may be be able to avoid it depending on their willingness to stay isolated. States currently experiencing an expansion need to throttle back activity in order to control the rate of spread. Heck, Illinois may need to do the same in the near future - some things are "necessary" (people need to work, and eat), but many things (ball games, gyms, concerts, casinos, "Vegas", etc.) are "luxuries" in a pandemic. Time will tell.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink

Do you know if this has been traced? I mean, once the infected from overseas got off their international flight, where did they go from there? Did they stay (for example) in NYC, or did they take a connecting flight somewhere else? I'm surprised I haven't seen an "infographic" on it yet, showing the spread of the infection in the U.S.. Also, in addition to flights from China, I read there were a large number of flights from Europe as well, especially Italy. And then, we had the re-patriation of our own citizens from around the world. Data scientists will be putting this story together for months or years to come (if we're smart), so we can learn how to handle the "next one".

New York, New Jersey, and I believe, Connecticut have the highest death rate (at least, so far). But it's not like we ever had a chance of "stopping" the spread, unless we implemented a complete travel ban from overseas, and even then, it could probably only have been slowed, not stopped. Again, I think the best we can hope for is to slow the spread such that it does not overwhelm the health system. Individuals may be be able to avoid it depending on their willingness to stay isolated. States currently experiencing an expansion need to throttle back activity in order to control the rate of spread. Heck, Illinois may need to do the same in the near future - some things are "necessary" (people need to work, and eat), but many things (ball games, gyms, concerts, casinos, "Vegas", etc.) are "luxuries" in a pandemic. Time will tell.

I agree with what you’re saying but the thing that drives me crazy is that we know how to slow this thing down. We’ve already figured that out and have known for a couple months, at least. Social distance, wear masks, wash hands, avoid large gatherings indoors. And yet, we see southern states disregarding just about every one of these, starting at the top with their idiotic governors (well actually starting at the top with our idiotic president).

[Curly Q. Bobalink]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

I agree with what you’re saying but the thing that drives me crazy is that we know how to slow this thing down. We’ve already figured that out and have known for a couple months, at least. Social distance, wear masks, wash hands, avoid large gatherings indoors. And yet, we see southern states disregarding just about every one of these, starting at the top with their idiotic governors (well actually starting at the top with our idiotic president).

And they are going to pay a high price for their behavior in terms of sickness and death, they may even get to or exceed Illinois' almost "600 deaths per million" mark. If they are smart, they will embrace the measures you outlined above; if not, they may hit Connecticut-level numbers.

With Chicago being a transportation and intermodal hub, whatever is in the rest of the country will be back into Chicago pretty quickly no matter WHAT they do, I'm thinking our "Phase 4" is going to be relatively short-lived (a couple of months, maybe), but again, time will tell. If it were a certainty that a preventative vaccine was coming, I'd be in favor of going back to phase one. But I'm afraid that's not a likely scenario, and we should probably minimize the financial hit from this by allowing it to go through the population in a controlled manner, to keep the healthcare community from being overwhelmed. Again, we need to be smart about opening back up. Including MLB and the cruise industry in the reopening isn't smart. Getting people back into the workplace, with precautions, is about the best we can hope for. Personally, I'd say I'm probably in the top five or ten percent of those trying to avoid contracting this crap.

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink

Do you know if this has been traced? I mean, once the infected from overseas got off their international flight, where did they go from there? Did they stay (for example) in NYC, or did they take a connecting flight somewhere else? I'm surprised I haven't seen an "infographic" on it yet, showing the spread of the infection in the U.S.. Also, in addition to flights from China, I read there were a large number of flights from Europe as well, especially Italy. And then, we had the re-patriation of our own citizens from around the world. Data scientists will be putting this story together for months or years to come (if we're smart), so we can learn how to handle the "next one".

New York, New Jersey, and I believe, Connecticut have the highest death rate (at least, so far). But it's not like we ever had a chance of "stopping" the spread, unless we implemented a complete travel ban from overseas, and even then, it could probably only have been slowed, not stopped. Again, I think the best we can hope for is to slow the spread such that it does not overwhelm the health system. Individuals may be be able to avoid it depending on their willingness to stay isolated. States currently experiencing an expansion need to throttle back activity in order to control the rate of spread. Heck, Illinois may need to do the same in the near future - some things are "necessary" (people need to work, and eat), but many things (ball games, gyms, concerts, casinos, "Vegas", etc.) are "luxuries" in a pandemic. Time will tell.

Here you go. The main places it started were Washington state and NYC. It's pretty interesting the follow through the whole thing and look at the maps.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...torylines_menu

Travel from China and Europe both should've happened sooner, it seems. The greatest measures of slowing, because you're right, cutting down travel from overseas would've only slowed it, was for cities/states to start their own shelter in places a week or two sooner than they did.

If the virus is down to a very small level, it's easy enough to do a lot of Phase 4 activities pretty safely assuming people regularly give others some distance, wear masks regularly in public places and wash hands.

DuPage County, which has about a million people, only had like 30 something new cases most of the last several days. Down from a peak of several hundred per day. Some towns with mid-tier populations like Addison and West Chicago lead the county in cases (over 700), while Aurora (population ~200k) had about 325 as of yesterday.

I checked a couple days ago, and San Francisco had 48 deaths (cumulative).

Just from watching Europe, Canada, Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, it's pretty clear this is extremely controllable based on a population's behavior. This virus can have outbreaks, but if there's a minor outbreak here or there it's easier to contain, contact trace, etc. than if 9,000 people per day get sick in a single state.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

Went boating in Wisconsin yesterday at Whitewater lake and then ate dinner at Lauderdale lakes. Everything is wide open and TONS of activity in shops, bars, restaurants, etc. Of course at least half the license plates in every parking lot are IL plates. Very few wearing masks. It's life as it should be so if you're sick of the ridiculous rules in Illinois head up there and enjoy!

BTW - there is a very LARGE silent majority amongst us that agree with the "open everything up" idea. Have yet to talk to a friend or family member that doesn't think these rules are ridiculous. Unfortunately the vocal minority are keeping IL shut down and forcing job loss, permanent business closures, etc. So those of us that use logic and reason need to speak up more and force these politicians to open everything up!!!

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/07/0...spread-in-u-s/

[wase4711]

interesting how some people think that by posting a random internet link makes their opinion more valid than someone else's..

This is another example of how Social Media, more than anything else, has hastened the downfall of our society..

[dtcbnd03]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/07/0...spread-in-u-s/

No one cares. 99.99999% survival rate. Silent majority has spoken. But we'll let you know when it's safe to come back outside (like Japan did with it's soldiers after WW2). Meanwhile Illinoisans are hurting with 15% unemployment rate. More coming...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/busines...ct-coronavirus

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

No one cares. 99.99999% survival rate. Silent majority has spoken. But we'll let you know when it's safe to come back outside (like Japan did with it's soldiers after WW2). Meanwhile Illinoisans are hurting with 15% unemployment rate. More coming...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/busines...ct-coronavirus

So glad you're not in charge. All of our ICUs would be full like Florida's. Actually, we'd be in worse shape given you've held this same position about being open this whole time since mid-March. Donald Trump seems to be the only person that understands the pandemic less than you.

The economy comes back when the virus is under control. Look at basically any developed country except the United States or Sweden. Sweden's having a rougher time now.

[My Kind Of Town]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

No one cares. 99.99999% survival rate. Silent majority has spoken. But we'll let you know when it's safe to come back outside (like Japan did with it's soldiers after WW2). Meanwhile Illinoisans are hurting with 15% unemployment rate. More coming...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/busines...ct-coronavirus

Relative to other states, Illinois seems to be doing quite well in their recovery from covid. Florida on the other hand, not so much.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-une...-claims/72730/

[MSchemist80]

Originally Posted by My Kind Of Town

Relative to other states, Illinois seems to be doing quite well in their recovery from covid. Florida on the other hand, not so much.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-une...-claims/72730/

Florida relies much more on tourism/travel than Illinois. That industry won't be recovering this year.