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Old 03-10-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Amid rising budget concerns and an economy in the toilet, Illinois's answer: borrow more money! This just goes to show you what a corrupt group of clowns we have running the show in Springfield.

Gov. Pat Quinn to propose borrowing or tax hike in budget - chicagotribune.com
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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And sometimes borrowing is smart if: [1] it creates jobs and [2] returns revenue to pay down the debt. Employees pay taxes and so do their employers. It is always a problem when prodctive workers are laid-off during an economic downturn.
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Yep, they take after the other clowns in the Oval Office. Shameful, isnt it?!?!
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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we got it here too.
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Old 03-13-2010, 12:33 PM
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Amid rising budget concerns and an economy in the toilet, Illinois's answer: borrow more money! This just goes to show you what a corrupt group of clowns we have running the show in Springfield.

Gov. Pat Quinn to propose borrowing or tax hike in budget - chicagotribune.com
What is your solution? I'm curious to hear the details.
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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What is your solution? I'm curious to hear the details.
Easy - smaller governement. STOP SPENDING!!

Use of gov't to achieve almost any "goal" is the most inefficient method of doing so. Plus the reality that politics always keeps logical decisions from being made makes smaller gov't the only answer.
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Old 03-14-2010, 02:59 PM
 
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Something needs to be done about the pensions and how the school system is funded in this state. These two things will never be changed in our lifetimes. So we should get used to being broke and paying ever higher taxes.

It seems like they have always been crying about budget crises as long as I can remember.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:09 PM
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Easy - smaller governement. STOP SPENDING!!

Use of gov't to achieve almost any "goal" is the most inefficient method of doing so. Plus the reality that politics always keeps logical decisions from being made makes smaller gov't the only answer.
Nice platitudes, but I would like more details along the lines of gardener34's ideas. Until then, I'll just assume you are spouting talking points.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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What is your solution? I'm curious to hear the details.
Yeah I'd say the pension system needs to be fixed after a specified time. Say, people more than 10 years from retirement would get 10% less of their current pension guarantees (the top-tier gets 80% of their income after they retire with the current system).

We also need to reduce the size and scope of government. Stop funding roadside checks--they are too expensive and do not pay off. Get rid of the Lt. Gov. position--it's unnecessary. Although not popular, a transition to a four day school week could reduce transportation and building operation costs.

Also, we should do a detailed audit of Illinois government spending. Surely this would reveal tens of millions of wasted tax dollars for pork projects and bribes.

Term limits on representatives would eliminate "career politicians" and further reduce the opportunity for bribes and nepotism.
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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Easy - smaller governement. STOP SPENDING!!

Use of gov't to achieve almost any "goal" is the most inefficient method of doing so. Plus the reality that politics always keeps logical decisions from being made makes smaller gov't the only answer.
Smaller gov means less police. less fireman, less roads fixed, and less teachers. How do we solve that problem? I kinda agree with linicx that if it is done proper it can help. When people are working, taxes are being payed in so things can be payed for.
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