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Old 02-23-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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If Indy gets another Super Bowl it will most likely be quite a few years down the road. There are several new stadiums in the works, and the NFL rewards owners and communities who come up with the bucks to build new stadiums. Indy got rewarded last year, now other owners and cities will be awarded Super Bowls.

So don't hold your "breathe“ brg
Climate change needs to speed up a bit too ... sorry, but last year's SB was a fluke.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Climate change needs to speed up a bit too ... sorry, but last year's SB was a fluke.
Indiana is doing more than its share to speed up climate change, burning far more coal than the coal state of West Virginia. Beyond backward and it has to change

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Old 02-23-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Wisconsin has some backward energy policies as well, but rumor has it that several old coal plants will close in the next few years or be converted to natural gas. Wind energy continues to grow in the state.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Indiana is dong more than its share to speed up climate change, burning far more coal than the coal state of West Virginia. Beyond backward and it has to change
Many coal-fired plants here are also set to switch to natural gas, and windmills continue to pop up all over. So, it is changing.

But when you consider the fracking process that's used to extract shale gas, and the tax subsidies required currently for wind energy, I have a hard time describing such change as progressive.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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Indiana, the most backwards or southern of the northern states?

The most Southern of Northern States? Please define "Southern".
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Many coal-fired plants here are also set to switch to natural gas, and windmills continue to pop up all over. So, it is changing.

But when you consider the fracking process that's used to extract shale gas, and the tax subsidies required currently for wind energy, I have a hard time describing such change as progressive.
Yes, lots of issues with fracking and methane emissions from natural gas extraction. Methane is a far more potent heat trapping gas than CO2. Ultimately we need to shift all new electricity generation to renewables, and nearly all new generating capacity since the start of this year has been in the renewable category. Energy efficiency and conservation have reduced demand growth in many areas of the US, so the days of massive centralized energy grid with huge baseload generating stations are numbered as it just isn't efficient, cheap (not factoring in externalized costs), nor driven by local energy co-ops.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I wish this state would give better tax incentives to put solar panels on homes. I have the perfect roof with perfect unobstructed sun ... but looking into the costs ... it will be years before I recoup the costs ...
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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I wish this state would give better tax incentives to put solar panels on homes. I have the perfect roof with perfect unobstructed sun ... but looking into the costs ... it will be years before I recoup the costs ...
That would be progressive, no??
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Tax incentives are good. Renewables are leading in cost with efficiencies continuing to increase over time. The supply chain and the manufacturing of parts for wind and solar needs to become cleaner and more efficient as well (there is no free lunch). The days of large centralized generating plants are very much numbered as they archaic reminders of the old industrial age model when cheapness and abundance of electricity generated from energy sources with externalities never factored onto cost models were the norm.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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That would be progressive, no??
yes, however, I'd rather the progressive part not take multiple years and I'd rather not have to take out a HELOC to put them in.
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