Indiana Job Announcements (not jobs, just announcements) (Elkhart: unemployment rate, construction)

[ColdAilment]

Why is it every time I check the Indianapolis forum BRG is putting up new threads about jobs in the Indianapolis area. BRG ought to cover job create in the South Bend area, that area is in sore need of new job and opportunity growth.

I agree with Toxic Toast, make a sub-forum for "Indianapolis Metro Jobs" where we can dump all these threads at so they aren't clogging up the Indianapolis forum.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by bertrandandjules

If it weren't for Indianapolis, Carmel wouldn't exist. And hats off to Jim Brainerd for thinking regionally and pinching jobs from the Mother City. Just what metro Indy needs--a suburb that thinks it's a better place that the city core.

If it weren't for the land that makes up Carmel, Fishers, Greenwood, etc., Indianapolis would literally be nothing. No Hoosier Dome, no Market Sq. arena, no Victory Field, no Lucas Oil Stadium, and no Banker's Life Fieldhouse.

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by indy_317

If it weren't for the land that makes up Carmel, Fishers, Greenwood, etc., Indianapolis would literally be nothing. No Hoosier Dome, no Market Sq. arena, no Victory Field, no Lucas Oil Stadium, and no Banker's Life Fieldhouse.

It would be indiana's capital city as was planned. Indy doesnt exist because of its suburbs, the suburbs exist because of indy.

[ColdAilment]

Originally Posted by indy_317

If it weren't for the land that makes up Carmel, Fishers, Greenwood, etc., Indianapolis would literally be nothing. No Hoosier Dome, no Market Sq. arena, no Victory Field, no Lucas Oil Stadium, and no Banker's Life Fieldhouse.

Interesting that Carmel and Fishers both sprouted up in the 1960's, Indianapolis was around for over 100 years before Carmel and Fishers...Indianapolis supported their foundation and growth. Indianapolis was the chicken and Carmel was the egg.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

It would be indiana's capital city as was planned. Indy doesnt exist because of its suburbs, the suburbs exist because of indy.

Indy, as it exist today, absolutely only exist because of the hundreds of thousands that live just outside the boarders of the city limits. The idea these people contribute nothing, that if they magically disappeared tomorrow, the city would still be the same, take in the same tax revenue, be able to support all the subsidized pro-sport teams and their facilities, etc. is laughable. 300K people from the burbs up and leave, their homes magically converted back to corn fields, and the city would be in the same shape it is in today?

Indy allowed the suburbs to exist, and now both need each other to exist in the forms they are today.

Originally Posted by ColdAilment

Interesting that Carmel and Fishers both sprouted up in the 1960's, Indianapolis was around for over 100 years before Carmel and Fishers...Indianapolis supported their foundation and growth. Indianapolis was the chicken and Carmel was the egg.

I agree, but if you took away the Carmel, Fishers, Brownsburg, Avon, and Greenwood eggs, and made it like they never existed, would Indy be what it is today? Property in the burbs offered people something they didn't want, or couldn't get, living in the borders of Indianapolis. There is no way that people can say with 100% certainty that had we passed a law thirty or forty years ago, that banned all new construction in the doughnut counties, that all the people that live in those areas today would live within Indy at this time. Without the ability for those swaths of land to offer residential living and business opportunities, we have no idea what this city would be like. Maybe it would be exactly the same in terms of being able to support what it does now, maybe even better in terms of density and what not, with a similar population? Then again, maybe people would have left, not wanting to live as dense as it would have been had building only been allowed within the city limits. Maybe people would have opted for Louisville or Cincinnati metro areas where they allowed suburban growth?

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Indy, as it exist today, absolutely only exist because of the hundreds of thousands that live just outside the boarders of the city limits. The idea these people contribute nothing, that if they magically disappeared tomorrow, the city would still be the same, take in the same tax revenue, be able to support all the subsidized pro-sport teams and their facilities, etc. is laughable. 300K people from the burbs up and leave, their homes magically converted back to corn fields, and the city would be in the same shape it is in today?

Indy allowed the suburbs to exist, and now both need each other to exist in the forms they are today.



I agree, but if you took away the Carmel, Fishers, Brownsburg, Avon, and Greenwood eggs, and made it like they never existed, would Indy be what it is today? Property in the burbs offered people something they didn't want, or couldn't get, living in the borders of Indianapolis. There is no way that people can say with 100% certainty that had we passed a law thirty or forty years ago, that banned all new construction in the doughnut counties, that all the people that live in those areas today would live within Indy at this time. Without the ability for those swaths of land to offer residential living and business opportunities, we have no idea what this city would be like. Maybe it would be exactly the same in terms of being able to support what it does now, maybe even better in terms of density and what not, with a similar population? Then again, maybe people would have left, not wanting to live as dense as it would have been had building only been allowed within the city limits. Maybe people would have opted for Louisville or Cincinnati metro areas where they allowed suburban growth?

Odds r they would live in the city. Do not discount the high percentage that left due to white flight. Lockerbie also used to be a suburb.

[missik999]

Without Carmel, Lucus Oil wouldn't sell out and Colts games would be blacked out. The majority of Colts season ticket holders live in Hamiliton County.

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by missik999

Without Carmel, Lucus Oil wouldn't sell out and Colts games would be blacked out. The majority of Colts season ticket holders live in Hamiliton County.

Can you back that up with real data?

[ColdAilment]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Indy, as it exist today, absolutely only exist because of the hundreds of thousands that live just outside the boarders of the city limits. The idea these people contribute nothing, that if they magically disappeared tomorrow, the city would still be the same, take in the same tax revenue, be able to support all the subsidized pro-sport teams and their facilities, etc. is laughable. 300K people from the burbs up and leave, their homes magically converted back to corn fields, and the city would be in the same shape it is in today?

Indy allowed the suburbs to exist, and now both need each other to exist in the forms they are today.



I agree, but if you took away the Carmel, Fishers, Brownsburg, Avon, and Greenwood eggs, and made it like they never existed, would Indy be what it is today? Property in the burbs offered people something they didn't want, or couldn't get, living in the borders of Indianapolis. There is no way that people can say with 100% certainty that had we passed a law thirty or forty years ago, that banned all new construction in the doughnut counties, that all the people that live in those areas today would live within Indy at this time. Without the ability for those swaths of land to offer residential living and business opportunities, we have no idea what this city would be like. Maybe it would be exactly the same in terms of being able to support what it does now, maybe even better in terms of density and what not, with a similar population? Then again, maybe people would have left, not wanting to live as dense as it would have been had building only been allowed within the city limits. Maybe people would have opted for Louisville or Cincinnati metro areas where they allowed suburban growth?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? I merely said that suburbs are a byproduct of a city, the city comes first the suburbs come second. How do you get off on this crap about banning construction!?!?

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Odds r they would live in the city. Do not discount the high percentage that left due to white flight. Lockerbie also used to be a suburb.

So what you are saying is that a lot of people wanted to leave due to not wanting to live near minority people. OK. However, if we had used zoning to prevent the build-up of the suburban areas, these people wouldn't have left for other suburban areas in other cities? They would have just decided to go ahead and live near minorities? That really doesn't make any sense. I think many people would have moved to Louisville or Cincinnati metro areas if they were that fearful of living with minorities and/or having their kids going to the same schools as minority children.