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wow Toxic taking offense. I also have family in Detroit and yes it's fallen on hard times. It being a smaller city land wise is not the reason though. If it wasn't a reason when there were over a million people there, it's not a reason now there are 713k people there. Just not. Yes, Indy lost pop in the 1980 census, but there is a difference, they city has gained population the last 3 whereas Detroit has lost consistently the last 5. One of the biggest things with C-D people is that they tend to get stuck. There are always three aspects. What was, What is and What it will be. So many people get stuck on what a place was (Detroit, STL, Cleveland, PBG, etc). What those cities were then is not what they are now and people should really just face that fact. These same people see what those cities are now and instead of focusing on what they can be in the future by fixing things now, they still want to hype about what a city was. Indy used to be a crap hole, no life, stagnant. Luckily for the citizens, the leadership saw what it could be which brings the city to where it is now which is thriving and growing unlike a lot of its midwest counterparts. Hopefully the leadership will still be able to see what it can be in the future and make the needed adaptations to make it even better. Detroit's never done that because they never had to. The big 3 were always that and we all thought the big three would always be on top. Well one is now foreign, another emerging out of bankruptcy and the third looks to finally start showing some real profit. No different than NWI thinking the steel mills would always employ 100k people.
And uh, up in Chicagoland we gripe about snow plows as well and the roads are just as crappy. Indy doesn't have a monopoly on that. Both cities use the same materials that damage the asphalt when putting down salt and take the same measures during a snow storm (Main Arteries first and on the road while the storm is ongoing until it subsides and then hit the side streets. In Chicago if you are in an Alley you are SOL as they don't do the alleys). Remember, both cities (all midwestern cities that receive snow have a priority system and 1st tier and 2nd tier for most cities are always done.). Indianapolis actually has a 3 tier system, 1st tier are the main roads and are top priority at all times, 2nd tier are the secondary roads, the third tier you are referring to are residential streets. For Indianapolis most residential streets are actually in subdivisions with the exception of Center Township which "residential" is classified a little different. Subdivisions (99%) have association dues that pays for their divisions to be plowed by an outside company during a snw storm. Let's take Franklin Township, Arlington is a main artery so will be plowerd, one block to the east is Combs Rd which is a secondary street, guess what, they are both plowed. Along Combs are several housing additions that not plowed, ie residential streets as the homeowner association dues for those additions pays for their snow removal.
Toxic, there isn't anything different Chicago does that Indy does not.
Yes, the city sold off the water company ok, Chicago followed Govey D and pimped out the Skyway for the very same reasons the city sold off the Water company.
BTW IndyGo Route 16 does go out to Saint Francis at Stop 11 and Emerson actually, it goes to County Line Road. Also part of Beech Grove is in Franklin Township which the bus goes to Thompson and Emerson (to the K Mart).
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That makes sense, point to a once in a quarter century blizzard to make a point.
Actually, I would point to two winters ago when a lot of side streets throughout Chicagoland went unplowed because the communities up there couldn't afford road salt. Illinois has put a lot of money into improving the freeways/tollways around Chicagoland, but many of the city streets are garbage. And the RTA is chronically broke and dealing with corruption, reductions in service, increased fares and an infrastructure that's falling apart. From a public transportation standpoint, yes, Chicagoans get more. But they still don't get their money's worth.
BTW IndyGo Route 16 does go out to Saint Francis at Stop 11 and Emerson actually, it goes to County Line Road. Also part of Beech Grove is in Franklin Township which the bus goes to Thompson and Emerson (to the K Mart).
School buses. Try to catch a school bus in the MSD Franklin district, let me know how that works out for you.
Meow What did I miss? I am originally from Detroit and not sure why the hostility. I relocated to the South Bend area and was curious myself if there was anyone from Detroit was in my area. I think its a natural curiosity.
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Actually, I find it very much of interest from a demographical standpoint. Specifically, what makes Detroit people move to Indianapolis in particular? People have been leaving Detroit in droves for decades now...and I know Chicago and Indy are major destinations, though I know ex-Detroiters (sorry if that is not the correct term) move all across the country. I think knowing what is making people leave Detroit in the first place is the first step in fixing the initial problem. But that issue belongs in the Detroit thread.
OP has a track record. Only he knows his heart, but I doubt the motivation is a natural curiosity. This is not the first time he has picked on Detroit.
Actually, I would point to two winters ago when a lot of side streets throughout Chicagoland went unplowed because the communities up there couldn't afford road salt. Illinois has put a lot of money into improving the freeways/tollways around Chicagoland, but many of the city streets are garbage. And the RTA is chronically broke and dealing with corruption, reductions in service, increased fares and an infrastructure that's falling apart. From a public transportation standpoint, yes, Chicagoans get more. But they still don't get their money's worth.
OP was referencing a specific incident. Last winter those folks that got stuck on Lake Shore Drive. I am guessing that if we had two feet of snow and 70 mph winds, people would be stuck on 465. The intensity of that storm is not common.
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Plus the countless other posters i have seen on this forum that moved from Detroit to Indy. Do you guys know any neighbors/friends family etc. that moved to Indianapolis from Detroit?
Just seems like there is so many!
The focus of your post is quite narrow - a better question is why do people move from Detroit to anywhere else, and as an Indy resident what is your concern?
wow Toxic taking offense. I also have family in Detroit and yes it's fallen on hard times. It being a smaller city land wise is not the reason though. If it wasn't a reason when there were over a million people there, it's not a reason now there are 713k people there. Just not. Yes, Indy lost pop in the 1980 census, but there is a difference, they city has gained population the last 3 whereas Detroit has lost consistently the last 5. One of the biggest things with C-D people is that they tend to get stuck. There are always three aspects. What was, What is and What it will be. So many people get stuck on what a place was (Detroit, STL, Cleveland, PBG, etc). What those cities were then is not what they are now and people should really just face that fact. These same people see what those cities are now and instead of focusing on what they can be in the future by fixing things now, they still want to hype about what a city was. Indy used to be a crap hole, no life, stagnant. Luckily for the citizens, the leadership saw what it could be which brings the city to where it is now which is thriving and growing unlike a lot of its midwest counterparts. Hopefully the leadership will still be able to see what it can be in the future and make the needed adaptations to make it even better. Detroit's never done that because they never had to. The big 3 were always that and we all thought the big three would always be on top. Well one is now foreign, another emerging out of bankruptcy and the third looks to finally start showing some real profit. No different than NWI thinking the steel mills would always employ 100k people.
And uh, up in Chicagoland we gripe about snow plows as well and the roads are just as crappy. Indy doesn't have a monopoly on that. Both cities use the same materials that damage the asphalt when putting down salt and take the same measures during a snow storm (Main Arteries first and on the road while the storm is ongoing until it subsides and then hit the side streets. In Chicago if you are in an Alley you are SOL as they don't do the alleys). Remember, both cities (all midwestern cities that receive snow have a priority system and 1st tier and 2nd tier for most cities are always done.). Indianapolis actually has a 3 tier system, 1st tier are the main roads and are top priority at all times, 2nd tier are the secondary roads, the third tier you are referring to are residential streets. For Indianapolis most residential streets are actually in subdivisions with the exception of Center Township which "residential" is classified a little different. Subdivisions (99%) have association dues that pays for their divisions to be plowed by an outside company during a snw storm. Let's take Franklin Township, Arlington is a main artery so will be plowerd, one block to the east is Combs Rd which is a secondary street, guess what, they are both plowed. Along Combs are several housing additions that not plowed, ie residential streets as the homeowner association dues for those additions pays for their snow removal.
Toxic, there isn't anything different Chicago does that Indy does not.
Yes, the city sold off the water company ok, Chicago followed Govey D and pimped out the Skyway for the very same reasons the city sold off the Water company.
BTW IndyGo Route 16 does go out to Saint Francis at Stop 11 and Emerson actually, it goes to County Line Road. Also part of Beech Grove is in Franklin Township which the bus goes to Thompson and Emerson (to the K Mart).
quick question. as an outsider with no hat in this race, how much of Indianapolis surge in population is due to annexation and geographical expansion as opposed to inner city population increase? i find that with most mid-western, southern, and west coast cities, the increase in population seems to come from ever expanding borders via annexation and incorporation of once small towns surrounding the city.
OP was referencing a specific incident. Last winter those folks that got stuck on Lake Shore Drive. I am guessing that if we had two feet of snow and 70 mph winds, people would be stuck on 465. The intensity of that storm is not common.
True, but your counter was to point out that Chicago does a better job clearing streets and that people there pay for that. You insinuate that people up there get more in the way of services. In recent times, there's scant evidence to support that assertion.
quick question. as an outsider with no hat in this race, how much of Indianapolis surge in population is due to annexation and geographical expansion as opposed to inner city population increase? i find that with most mid-western, southern, and west coast cities, the increase in population seems to come from ever expanding borders via annexation and incorporation of once small towns surrounding the city.
True, but your counter was to point out that Chicago does a better job clearing streets and that people there pay for that. You insinuate that people up there get more in the way of services. In recent times, there's scant evidence to support that assertion.
That may well be the case. I will concede that it has been a couple of years since I visited Chicago in the winter.
However, let us compare the job done in Indiana to states like Michigan and Minnesota. There is no question who does a better job cleaning their roads. I have been to Michigan in the winter many, many times. There is no comparison.
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which the bus goes to Thompson and Emerson (to the K Mart).
