Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
OMG, One thing that irks me is the so called holier than thou crowd, usually so called christian on Sundays only and full of it every other day of the week and you sound just like it. As I said earlier, every parent has made mistakes. Fortunately for most, the consequences aren't dire. You know how many parents, leave their child for mere seconds to do something as simple as answer the house phone while their child is outside playing. Guess what can happen in those few seconds and the same crowd you are now a part of will be the same crowd that turns on you and calls you unfit, should be sterilized, killed, etc. What do you think can happen within the mere seconds you are talking on your cellphone while driving not paying 100% attention with a child in the car?
No parent can devote 100% of their time to their child. It is physically impossible as people have jobs and yes even parents need downtime away from their children as well. Again that holier than thou BS attitude people have is sickening. You weren't there, you do not know 100% of the circumstances, you do not know what the parent(s) are going through. Both cases could very well be mistakes. How many parents at times think their child is with the other parent and end up being with neither?
What are you talking about "holier than thou" crowd?? When it comes to your children, the room for mistakes is a very narrow margin and if you are not ready to accept that fact then you have no right to bring kids into this world who are going to be ROASTED inside a car because of a "mistake". Yes, parents do leave their kids or turn their backs on their kids but then again, MOST parents are smart enough to never, not EVER leave their kids in a car alone while they shop or worse case scenario when they go into a casino and gamble and YES that did happen. Cell phone in the car? What in the hell are you talking about?? That too is against the law and shouldn't happen regardless of whether or not you have a child in a car seat behind you. I am sorry but I have no forgiveness in my heart for a parent who ROASTS their kids in a car so she can go shopping at a POSH store..forget they are in the car? YES OK...and I am an alien. Tell me this; what is so difficult about dropping your kid off with a family member or a sitter should you want to go shopping on a day when it is 103 degrees?? Hire someone to come in and watch your child. Oh, you say that could be dangerous too? Wouldn't be if you had a regular sitter you knew or a trusted family member. Sorry to come down so hard on this issue but I am super sensitive about taking proper care of children. I could only have one child but wanted more. I live in an area where I see people pushing babies in strollers all hours of the night on city streets in all kinds of weather..even the coldest of cold days I have seen this. I have seen babies in the stores with dirty faces, dirty clothes on, needing a bath and howling because they wreak of urine and feces...yes, this happens and it infuriates me. Give the baby to me if you don't want to take care of it..they are God's special gifts and if you don't want to take proper care of them and be there for them instead of in that fancy dress store then call me....I will keep them safe.
What are you talking about "holier than thou" crowd?? When it comes to your children, the room for mistakes is a very narrow margin and if you are not ready to accept that fact then you have no right to bring kids into this world who are going to be ROASTED inside a car because of a "mistake". Yes, parents do leave their kids or turn their backs on their kids but then again, MOST parents are smart enough to never, not EVER leave their kids in a car alone while they shop or worse case scenario when they go into a casino and gamble and YES that did happen. Cell phone in the car? What in the hell are you talking about?? That too is against the law and shouldn't happen regardless of whether or not you have a child in a car seat behind you. I am sorry but I have no forgiveness in my heart for a parent who ROASTS their kids in a car so she can go shopping at a POSH store..forget they are in the car? YES OK...and I am an alien. Tell me this; what is so difficult about dropping your kid off with a family member or a sitter should you want to go shopping on a day when it is 103 degrees?? Hire someone to come in and watch your child. Oh, you say that could be dangerous too? Wouldn't be if you had a regular sitter you knew or a trusted family member. Sorry to come down so hard on this issue but I am super sensitive about taking proper care of children. I could only have one child but wanted more. I live in an area where I see people pushing babies in strollers all hours of the night on city streets in all kinds of weather..even the coldest of cold days I have seen this. I have seen babies in the stores with dirty faces, dirty clothes on, needing a bath and howling because they wreak of urine and feces...yes, this happens and it infuriates me. Give the baby to me if you don't want to take care of it..they are God's special gifts and if you don't want to take proper care of them and be there for them instead of in that fancy dress store then call me....I will keep them safe.
Pretty sure those parents can care less about your forgiveness. Others affected by those mistakes, yes, I'm sure they would want some semblance of forgiveness from those people, you, me or anyone else who does not have a dog in this hunt, no. You're not that important.
As I stated earlier, there are three sides to every story. Your version, their version and the truth. As usual, what we are only hearing is one version of events. There are still two others to go in which it will be up to a judge and jury to decide on. If a judge and/or jury doesn't buy their stories, they will pay for their crimes. It may be severe, a judge can may very well think it was a severe lack of good judgment and sentence something less harsh or they may even be found not guilty but that's up to the Indiana court system to decide, not public opinion, not vigilantism.
Contrary to popular belief, this past weekends events are not the first time someone has literally forgotten their child in a car. Luckily for those other parents the consequences didn't turn out dire. Parents forget their kids in Walmart, at home, at after school care (many of which will call CPS if you are not there by end of business). As bad as it sounds, it happens. I had a co-worker who actually did forget her kid in Walmart. Is she a bad parent? On the contrary, I'd put her up against more than half the loud mouth killer wannabe fb posters any day of the week and guarantee she'd come out on top. She just made a mistake and fortunately for her, the consequences wasn't dire. Just this morning when I left to get gas, passed by a house with two small children (7:30am) riding their bikes, parents nowhere to be seen and one of them almost rolled right in front of me as I was driving. Kicker, a house is being built across the street so there are all kinds of strangers coming and going in that area. If someone were to snatch one or both of those kids and something bad happened, would that make those parents bad parents (I don't know them personally) or could they have been good parents that made a horrible mistake by allowing small children outside unsupervised if only for a few minutes while they finish getting ready for work knowing full well people have been trying to snatch children like penny candy as of late.
Trying to rate bad situations is pointless. It's already bad and doesn't need additional fuel to the fire. Let the people in charge of handling this do their jobs like you would want if you were in a bad situation. It may not be a child left in the car but there are situations where anyone can get caught up in and would want the same privacy and due diligence as these people. And before anyone says otherwise, remember, there are a lot of people in prison for being at the wrong place at the wrong time and guilty by association.
As I stated earlier, there are three sides to every story. Your version, their version and the truth. As usual, what we are only hearing is one version of events. There are still two others to go in which it will be up to a judge and jury to decide on. If a judge and/or jury doesn't buy their stories, they will pay for their crimes. It may be severe, a judge can may very well think it was a severe lack of good judgment and sentence something less harsh or they may even be found not guilty but that's up to the Indiana court system to decide, not public opinion, not vigilantby association.
Actually the mom who left her baby in the car while she was shopping told the police that she had been in the store for an hour, and this was backed up by a sales person who said she was with the mom for the hour helping her find a dress. The mom had stated she needed a dress because she was meeting a guy at three.
I don't know how you can spin that into anything other than neglect. The baby didn't climb into the car herself and volunteer to wait while the mom shopped for a dress, even though it was 104 degrees.
The dad whose baby died told police he watched a friend strap the baby into the car seat in his car before he drove away. His supporters keep saying "he is only 19, he is so young" but if you are old enough to drive you are old enough to know that you are responsible for the lives of the passengers in your vehicle. Again, the baby didn't climb into the car herself, strap herself in and wait for hours sustaining third degree burns.
Actually the mom who left her baby in the car while she was shopping told the police that she had been in the store for an hour, and this was backed up by a sales person who said she was with the mom for the hour helping her find a dress. The mom had stated she needed a dress because she was meeting a guy at three.
I don't know how you can spin that into anything other than neglect. The baby didn't climb into the car herself and volunteer to wait while the mom shopped for a dress, even though it was 104 degrees.
The dad whose baby died told police he watched a friend strap the baby into the car seat in his car before he drove away. His supporters keep saying "he is only 19, he is so young" but if you are old enough to drive you are old enough to know that you are responsible for the lives of the passengers in your vehicle. Again, the baby didn't climb into the car herself, strap herself in and wait for hours sustaining third degree burns.
Still up to the Indiana court system and as far as we know, the two charged have yet to officially give their version of events. That will be done in a court of law and not law of public opinion. If the court system deems them responsible, so be it. If they do not, so be it as well. Right, wrong or indifferent, those rights are not taken away from them, you or any US citizen on these boards and that's one thing people are forgetting. We all have the right to due process. It's not pick and choose based off of personal feelings, it's a right irregardless of how we feel about it personally.
Let's give a scenario, one that happens more than you know. You are driving, you hear/feel your cellphone. You glance down or even answer and within that split second, you hit someone and they die. How would you want to be treated? The public will crucify you and find you guilty before trial and demand vigilante justice. Be real honest with yourself, is that how you would want to be treated? We can't say it will never happen to us. Heck, we're not guaranteed to wake up the next day. What if that happened to your child where he/she was the one driving. As a parent of a teenager that drives, you better believe I drill that into his head day in and day out and to not look at his phone until stopped. Would you want your child to at the hands of public opinion? The answer is no, we don't. Treat people like you want to be treated even in the most adverse of times.
I know the answer: This is a failure of our government....and proof that we need even more intrusive government to prevent these things from happening. You see, these poor parents have likely been raised that someone else is always responsible for you. It is the government's job to educate people's kids, not the parents. It is the government's job to provide entertainment for kids, not parents. It is the government's job to teach your kids about sex, not the parents. You know, I bet these folks figure there was some sort of safety A/C switch in their vehicle. The moment it got too hot, the car would automatically start and provide A/C to the forgotten child. I mean the government mandated the seat belts, they mandated 100s (maybe 1,000s) of other things on that car, surely they would mandate a forgotten child sensor, which would activate the A/C, or at least some sort of distress beacon. Maybe we need forgotten offspring sensors installed in every vehicle. Once a certain time has passed, the sensor will send a text message to the parents cell phone, post a reminder on Facebook, and send out a Twitter message.
I can't fathom forgetting about offspring. It is one thing to not always be looking at a child when they are playing (which can lead to stuff being eaten that shouldn't, falls, etc.). We are talking about people who are really going to claim they completely forgot about their kid? My car has felt like 1,000 degrees. I have trouble breathing when I first get in. I can't see how the #1 focus of every parent should be 'Let me check on my child, make sure they are doing OK with this heat.' Instead, they clearly weren't thinking about the kid at all, totally forgetting about the kid.
This is what the United Welfare States of America has become. I think we need to put mandatory fingerprint recognition devices on smart phones. At any given time, the smart phone could lock-up, forcing the need for the proper fingerprint. Make it the kid's fingerprint and I bet no one forgets their kid ever again.
Please. Be a good Republican lacky and say it! C'mon man! You know you're dyin to! You can do it! Here. I'll help you.......Now repeat after me. "It's all Obamas fault!" Feel better now?
Holier than thou? I challenge anyone to stand and watch as a living human child COOKS TO DEATH..... What kind of sick degenerate fascist stands there uncaring as a baby gasps for breath slowly and painfully slipping away. This is so completely unimaginable it’s really hard to believe. This is far too serious an issue to be dealt with by mutant “occupiers” or highschoolish freaks who whine about “Sunday school preachers” or whathaveyou. I imagine such people would walk away and say “it’s not my business”….some other person’s kids… What kind of completely immature dirt-bag makes up excuses like… "I can't take care of all my kids ALL the time" or "I don't have the patience” or "it was only for a few seconds" or "I forgot"....or "the kids were screaming"....etc etc Well I, for one, will smash open any vehicle I find with an unattended child in it. I'll call the police and insist that the "parent" be arrested. I will NOT rest until such trash are punished to the utmost. It is so completely inexcusable and INSANE to belittle human LIFE to the point where kids are left in 120 degree cars to die. IT IS A MATTER OF MORALITY! Human life has intrinsic VALUE! If life is not worth anything then we are no different than the basest of animals out there. Again, for the completely tone-deaf, if you cannot or you will not dedicate your life to your children then DON’T HAVE ANY!!
I do not see how it is possible to forget your child is in your car with you. How is that possible. How big of a car must you have. I might forget my wallet in my car, I might forget my keys in my car, but to forget your child is in the car for 3 or 4 hours? How can anyone really believe that. Seriously.
I do not see how it is possible to forget your child is in your car with you. How is that possible. How big of a car must you have. I might forget my wallet in my car, I might forget my keys in my car, but to forget your child is in the car for 3 or 4 hours? How can anyone really believe that. Seriously.
Ask any good parent, your child becomes a part of you. I could no more forget my child in my car than I could forget my left arm.
Still up to the Indiana court system and as far as we know, the two charged have yet to officially give their version of events. That will be done in a court of law and not law of public opinion. If the court system deems them responsible, so be it. If they do not, so be it as well. Right, wrong or indifferent, those rights are not taken away from them, you or any US citizen on these boards and that's one thing people are forgetting. We all have the right to due process. It's not pick and choose based off of personal feelings, it's a right irregardless of how we feel about it personally.
Let's give a scenario, one that happens more than you know. You are driving, you hear/feel your cellphone. You glance down or even answer and within that split second, you hit someone and they die. How would you want to be treated? The public will crucify you and find you guilty before trial and demand vigilante justice. Be real honest with yourself, is that how you would want to be treated? We can't say it will never happen to us. Heck, we're not guaranteed to wake up the next day. What if that happened to your child where he/she was the one driving. As a parent of a teenager that drives, you better believe I drill that into his head day in and day out and to not look at his phone until stopped. Would you want your child to at the hands of public opinion? The answer is no, we don't. Treat people like you want to be treated even in the most adverse of times.
Yeah, but that's why being convicted on an online forum is completely inconsequential. And of course we all have a right to due process, but we also have a right to free speech and fair comment.
Like I said before, I do think that often the media is quick to convict people before they've had their day in court.
And I get what you are saying, EVERYONE has been negligent at some point in their lives, whether or not they have children. But sometimes there are just some characteristics that are just hallmarks of outrageousness, that elevate the negligence to its own level. When I read cases like that, only a few facts are enough for me. In this particular case, those characteristics were:
(1) the baby was months old
(2) the baby was left in the car for several hours
(3) it was 104 degrees outside and 124 degrees inside the car
(4) the baby died due to being left in a 124 degree car for several hours
To me, these factors separate a case like this from a case of someone losing her child in the grocery store or someone who glances away from the road for a second which causes an accident. To me, this is beyond negligence, this is complete recklessness. Unless this father is trying to dispute the fact that he did not have a child or he did not leave her in the car or that it was not over 100 degrees outside or that the heat didn't cause her death, I don't see what else could possibly mitigate his conduct. That's just my personal opinion.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The same goes for irresponsible pet owners.
