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Old 11-18-2016, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Central Indiana/Indy metro area
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Some of those choose not to work. Two of my close family members are in HR and have been directly responsible for hiring manufacturing workers. One has worked in this state for about 10 years. The other only for the past year. Both consistently complain that they cannot hire enough workers. Both work and hire in more rural parts of the state. Many of the people that show up at job fairs and other places to be hired cannot be employed. They cannot pass drug tests. They lack a high school education or GED. They are not willing to work for the above minimum wages offered. Often those that start working quit because they don't want to follow a schedule and would prefer to sleep in.

Jobs do exist in rural parts of the state. People choose not to work them.
I don't know where your relatives work, but I also know some people who work in some more rural areas and the work just isn't like it used to be. The work has changed. Here is what I've been told:

One person worked at a Walmart distribution warehouse. Pay was around $12-$14, four ten hours days, starting time for day shift was I believe 4AM, M-Thursday. If you drove a fork lift you made $17/hour. There was mandatory OT during Christmas time, but there were forced cutbacks during the summer months, which could be two or more weeks of no work or income.

I know a few people who work at Honda. Pay is said to be pretty good once you make it out of the probation period and get hired full-time. There is mandatory OT on Saturday's when there is a new model change from what I understand. There is double time OT offered on Sunday. Healthcare benefits are said to be pretty good.

Now, of the better jobs, Honda is where it is at. That being said, Honda isn't replacing all the very good paying jobs that left Anderson, New Castle, Kokomo, Muncie, Indy, etc.. Even the auto jobs they have replaced they aren't replacing the income level.

With the Walmart type distribution jobs, sometimes those are the best paying jobs in an area. Again the personal income will never reach what it was. OT is minimal. Plus, if both spouses have worthless degrees or no advanced education, this might be the best they can do. However that presents another problem. How many babysitters are willing to take kids at 3:30AM in the morning? Then you have the issue of making sure the kid stays away from say 3AM so they can actually go to bed with mom and dad around 8PM. This would be hard on anyone, but if one parent stays home with the kids, then $17/hour isn't much to raise a family on. Additionally, if one parent gets some better hour retail job, they are likely looking at $10-$12/hour tops, and even then the hours could very and just not work out.

While there are jobs, it just isn't like the old manufacturing jobs of the past. Hours might be very family unfriendly, OT is minimal, pay is already down compared to years past. I feel the biggest issue is that we had a very good household income that took a massive hit over a short period of time.

Then you have to look at the cost of living. At the same time we were losing good paying jobs, pension money, SS, and trust fund money made it so housing costs did tank as it should have. People retired from GM or Chrysler and they might have considered moving, but they felt their $60K late 70s/early 80s home was still worth say $120-150K. The problem is that the locals who might want to buy the home can't afford that given the new income reality of the area. I know of many parents/grandparents who stayed in Anderson, New Castle, and all the surrounding towns and cities. Some people refuse to take such a hit on their housing, and even today I'm shocked at the prices some newer homes are going for in the middle of nowhere.

We also have to look at how people are living as well. Thankfully teen birth rates are going down, and so is the rate of children born to unwed mothers. However, from what I read at the CDC, the unwed mother birthrate has only been going down the last six years. Single parenthood has an impact on the poverty rate of an area.

It isn't that we need to get jobs back, the jobs are there they just might not be as good as the old factory jobs. What is needed is to lower the cost of living substantially in certain areas, mostly as it relates to housing. There also needs to be a continued effort to reduce the number of people having kids, married or not, when they aren't at a place financially to support a child, let alone two or three. I would also say that we need much better education in terms of personal finances, focusing on saving, how interest works, debt load, etc..

I also agree with the issue of people not wanting to work. I have heard stories, but I also think very odd hours and so-so play are issues. People who don't come from means see a bleak future. They can't get more education given how costly it is in some aspects, they have their own bills to pay on top of that, many young people don't want to be the poster child of the person who has to live at home forever, etc.. I can see how sometimes it might just be easier to get a lower paying job that one enjoys, that works for them, and telling society to shove it when it comes to having kids and not being able to support them. If we can't make living affordable for those with minimal skills and lower pay, why should they care about "doing the right thing" financially speaking? This is why I think the welfare lifestyle is accepted by so many, people just don't care anymore.
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Old 11-30-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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Whether you voted for him or not, whether you agree with him or not, right now, there's a lot of happy people who's Christmas will now be a lot different from what they originally thought.

Trump to reveal deal to keep nearly 1,000 Carrier jobs in Indiana
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Old 11-30-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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Whether you voted for him or not, whether you agree with him or not, right now, there's a lot of happy people who's Christmas will now be a lot different from what they originally thought.

Trump to reveal deal to keep nearly 1,000 Carrier jobs in Indiana
Yep, we're Winning already and he hasn't even been sworn in!

I think Trump is going to turn out to be one of our greatest presidents! So glad that lying conniving piece of trash Hillary was defeated!

MAGA!
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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While I'm glad that 1,000 jobs are staying, I want to hear the details. I have to imagine this deal included some major state tax breaks for Carrier. They aren't going to just stay out of the goodness of their heart. And if it does involve major tax breaks, what's to stop other companies from threatening to move to Mexico in order to get more tax breaks? Plus there are other companies that have said they are moving hundreds of jobs out of state. What about Rexnord? That's another 350 people losing their jobs to Mexico. Do they not count? What about United Technologies Electronic Controls in Huntington? Owned by the same company as Carrier and also announced that all 700 jobs will be moving to Mexico. Do those jobs not count?
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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ischyros,

We should be asking President "Obama" what he's doing to save the jobs you listed?

Trump is not even the President yet and he's already making deals to save jobs and put America first. He has a lot of work to do to reverse the damage done by the Obama administration.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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So, here's the deal....


We send the "illegals" home, and that opens up a whole host of jobs.


They pay $8.75 /hour.


Promise fulfilled.


(Great, so we "saved" 750 jobs at Carrier.....and the wages those workers make is now coming out of the wallets of the taxpayers. Republicans as Socialists? That won't last long when billy bob finds out he's making $15 bucks an hour and his tax bill is going up so other workers can make $30/hour)
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Old 11-30-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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ischyros,

We should be asking President "Obama" what he's doing to save the jobs you listed?

Trump is not even the President yet and he's already making deals to save jobs and put America first. He has a lot of work to do to reverse the damage done by the Obama administration.
My guess is most of this was the work of Pence's crew. Report is that state tax incentives were offered to keep Carrier here. Trump, or any president, doesn't have the authority to offer state tax incentives.
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Old 11-30-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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While I'm glad that 1,000 jobs are staying, I want to hear the details. I have to imagine this deal included some major state tax breaks for Carrier. They aren't going to just stay out of the goodness of their heart. And if it does involve major tax breaks, what's to stop other companies from threatening to move to Mexico in order to get more tax breaks? Plus there are other companies that have said they are moving hundreds of jobs out of state. What about Rexnord? That's another 350 people losing their jobs to Mexico. Do they not count? What about United Technologies Electronic Controls in Huntington? Owned by the same company as Carrier and also announced that all 700 jobs will be moving to Mexico. Do those jobs not count?
I think I heard part of the plan was to allow them to repatriate overseas profits at a 15% tax rate instead of the normal 35% rate. However, if the profits were overseas, we weren't seeing a penny in taxes anyway. I'd rather have 15% of some positive value than 35% of zero.

I agree there are issues with companies just "crying wolf" in order to get concessions. As far as the smaller companies, I don't know what's going on with them and I'm not familiar with the Rexnord situation, but I presume there is going to be some sort of hesitation, or at least willingness to negotiate, about moving jobs to Mexico even if it involves some sweetening of the pot.

I think Trump latched onto this particular deal because 1) there was a video of it - you can't underestimate the impact of that. 2) it involves a large number of people 3) Carrier is a fairly well known name.

The details may paint a not so rosy picture but Trump at least paid lip service to these folks and this issue when no other national politician did, then followed up with something that appears to be positive and kept his word. I voted for Trump and realize a lot of the rhetoric probably won't get done, but I'm very impressed he came back to this and carried through.
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Old 11-30-2016, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Don't forget Carrier is owned by United Technologies, which also owns Pratt & Whitney, and is obviously interested in maintaining and obtaining further defense contracts. We'll see what the details are, but I'm sure part of this is that the executives decided it wasn't worth the headache to get on the wrong side of the administration, especially since Trump made Carrier a talking point throughout his campaign. Good news for those workers, and a good political win for the Trump (even if it was probably Pence and Indiana doing the legwork). I do find it interesting that the union wasn't involved in the negotiations, so I'm interested to see what, if any, concessions they'll have to make.
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Old 11-30-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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Whether you voted for him or not, whether you agree with him or not, right now, there's a lot of happy people who's Christmas will now be a lot different from what they originally thought.
Do these "happy people" know who they are yet?
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