The future of public transportation in Indy (Indianapolis, Fort Wayne: 2015, gated)

[Colts]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Don't you mean, "been snooping"?

Rave, the thing about online forums is that everyone has a distinctive posting style. Some members are very keen and can pick up on these things right away, while others are less perceptive and take a little longer to process things.

In your case, it was quite clear from the beginning. I see that you've toned it down slightly, and that's always much appreciated.

[Colts]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Killings and crime isn't a "crazy" problem, it is almost always a culture problem.

I don't disagree.

However, you seem to be making an insinuation rather than actually coming forth with your thoughts. If you have something to say, don't beat around the bush by implying. Just come out and say it.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by domergurl

Watch your p's & q's this time.

What does this mean? No one is allow to voice anything but pro-urban, left leaning ideals?

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by Colts

I don't disagree.

However, you seem to be making an insinuation rather than actually coming forth with your thoughts. If you have something to say, don't beat around the bush by implying. Just come out and say it.

The only thing I'm insinuating is that if you have a group of humans, and they fancy themselves on making money via illegal means (selling drugs, kidnapping, robberies, selling guns, prostitution, etc), then you will have problems. If you have a population, and that population flocks to the ideas espoused in rap songs (loose sex with many women, carrying guns, engaging in "hood battles" like northside, southside, etc.) then you will have high crime. If you have a population that flocks to the ideas of treating people nice, that a two parent family is likely a good way to raise children, that difference can be solved without seeing who can pull the trigger on their gun first, then you will likely have lower crime.

[Colts]

Originally Posted by indy_317

The only thing I'm insinuating is that if you have a group of humans, and they fancy themselves on making money via illegal means (selling drugs, kidnapping, robberies, selling guns, prostitution, etc), then you will have problems. If you have a population, and that population flocks to the ideas espoused in rap songs (loose sex with many women, carrying guns, engaging in "hood battles" like northside, southside, etc.) then you will have high crime. If you have a population that flocks to the ideas of treating people nice, that a two parent family is likely a good way to raise children, that difference can be solved without seeing who can pull the trigger on their gun first, then you will likely have lower crime.

Right--but who is this "group of humans" you're referring to? Is there something they have in common? Which demographic would your description adequately represent?

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by Colts

Right--but who is this "group of humans" you're referring to? Is there something they have in common? Which demographic would your description adequately represent?

There is no certain group of humans who engage in these behaviors. Look at human history: Many groups of people, from different races, religions, etc., have either done good things, or done some really awful things. If your goal is less crime, then move to areas where people are supportive of ideals which usually bring about peace and harmony, instead of gunfire and violence.

[Colts]

Originally Posted by indy_317

There is no certain group of humans who engage in these behaviors.

Yeah. But earlier, you said

Originally Posted by indy_317

If everything else stayed the say in terms of demographics, economic opportunity, etc., I doubt Boise, ID, Billings, MT, or Cheyenne, WY would match Chicago in homicides just because they go from 50K-200K to 2.8M people.

Now what would compel someone to write such a thing?

Valid or not, there is only one reason why someone would write that. It is apparent to me and everyone else who comes across your posts that you obviously have issues with certain demographics, namely African Americans. Come on, Rave. Everyone can see what you were attempting to imply.

Whether you personally admit it or not, it's right there, conspicuous as can be.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by Colts

Yeah. But earlier, you said

Now what would compel someone to write such a thing?

Valid or not, there is only one reason why someone would write that. It is apparent to me and everyone else who comes across your posts that you obviously have issues with certain demographics, namely African Americans. Come on, Rave. Everyone can see what you were attempting to imply.

Whether you personally admit it or not, it's right there, conspicuous as can be.

Give me a break. Are you saying that anywhere blacks are, there can never been crime stats like we see in Boise, ID, Billings, MT, Rapid City, SD, or Cheyenne, WY? I can't explain why the stats are what they are. In cities with a decent % of pro-cradle to the grave welfare, pro-lets all carry guns and use them to settle petty disputes, pro-dealing drugs is OK, pro-spending $4,000 on car wheels is awesome, pro-high school girls having kids, pro-single mother homes, etc., you are going to have issues. It doesn't matter the race, religion, ethnic background, it matters the individual. If wanting to move to an area of the country where there is less crime makes one a racist, wow, how low we have sunk as a country. Europe, a mostly "white" continent, will likely be the scene of yet another all encompassing war. I don't agree with the way the people there believe, at least the majority, hence I would never, ever move to Europe. Europe is the site of two world wars, and current some riots here and there. So if a black person from the US decides not to move to Europe due to the recent uptick in civil unrest, are they racist?

And in fact, behavior of individuals is something that will play a role on if this mass transportation project is successful or not. Indy doesn't have the density to support this, but it might get built anyway. That means that people won't be forced upon it, and if trash are allowed to turn these trains and buses into their own playgrounds, complete with fights, getting in people's faces, etc., it will fail because people won't want to ride. Amos Brown even called out the fact that the very first, original conceptual map that was printed in the paper has only four or five stops: Two or three in Fishers, then two in N. Marion County, then downtown. In fact, there were no stops proposed between downtown and 71st Street. Now, I wonder why that was?

If even a small % of thugs, punks, weirdos, and freaks ride this thing, others will avoid it like the plague.

3 Seattle Bus Tunnel Guards Watch Brutal Beating - ABC News

Witness: Oakland Bus Fight Racially Tinged - CBS News

Seattle Bus Video Shows Attack on Passenger - ABC News

Pregnant Teen Attacked on Packed Seattle Bus - ABC News

Bus fight caught on tape - ABC News

The above are examples why some folks don't care for mass transit. These are only the incidents which we are lucky enough to hear about. Who knows how many more go unreported on a daily basis?

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by indy_317

The above are examples why some folks don't care for mass transit. These are only the incidents which we are lucky enough to hear about. Who knows how many more go unreported on a daily basis?

What really goes unreported are the millions upon millions of people who use mass transit daily in this country, yet they never see or experience crime.

Nice to have ya back, Rave.

[domergurl]

Well, from Rave's list ... I don't want to use mass transit IN SEATTLE!!!! But wait, I did ... it was nice!

Stop being racist Rave. Seriously.