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Old 12-13-2010, 09:33 PM
 
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My satellite connection has been down for a few days, and I've been limping along with a 26 kbps dial-up connection (all that is available otherwise). I am amazed at just how pervasive bloat has become over the past couple of years.

As an example, BBC news had a story I was interested in. After waiting and waiting for it to load, I finally had to stop the load, look at the source code for the page, and retrieve the one paragraph of information that I wanted to read. In the old days, that would have been available in two seconds at the longest.

Flash games? LOL! Nope. Repeated attempts to load time out.

Then there is a tv station that wants to download an off-brand adware video viewer so I can see their broadcasts online.

The internet is destroying itself, one sucky webmaster at a time.
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:39 AM
 
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The internet is destroying itself, one sucky webmaster at a time.
That's quite a statement! Considering that webmasters are responsible for only a small part of the internet.

In general, the web is being tailored for broadband connections. Certain technologies (AJAX/JQUERY/Flash) kind of assume that you have a fast responsive connection.

If you are limited to dialup connections, I'd recommend disabling images and opting to hit mobile versions of websites where applicable.
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Old 12-14-2010, 03:48 AM
 
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My satellite connection has been down for a few days, and I've been limping along with a 26 kbps dial-up connection (all that is available otherwise). I am amazed at just how pervasive bloat has become over the past couple of years.

I went through a similar experience for a week a few months back so I feel your pain. I gave up and used it just for email and checking a few important things. The issue is mostly the added content, a lot of JS scripts are huge and you have flash ads and many other issues.

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The internet is destroying itself, one sucky webmaster at a time.
It's moving on Harry. Just one example. .png images are larger than .jpg but you can't do this as easily with .jpg or .gif:

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Old 12-14-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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I hadn't thought of using the mobile versions of a website. Already knew about disabling images. I just find it crazy that businesses who want to reach the greatest number of people INTENTIONALLY use code that limits their audience. It is like "Here's my business card. What, you can't read it? You don't have eyes 4.0? I thought EVERYONE had eyes 4.0." Why not just cut to the chase, make your website 3-D with the absolute coolist graphic representations of text possible, have it viewable only on a Cray while using shutter glasses on a 46' monitor in high res., and slap it up on the internet for people to groan "Ohhhh, that website is SO cool. I just know it. I wish I could see it." OR, in the vernacular of business, WWDTS? (What would Donald Trump say?)

Moving on is fine. Leaving your customers in the dust is not.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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harry, you're absolutely right. Ideally they'd have multiple code paths for the likely different experiences based on connection and system.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:52 AM
 
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harry, you're absolutely right. Ideally they'd have multiple code paths for the likely different experiences based on connection and system.
How would a Internet web site know your connection speed to your ISP?

How would a web site know if you have an antique for a system?

I'm sure "they" could probe for some of your information but then the privacy freaks would scream their heads off.... So unfortunately without broadband in this day and age you are screwed.....

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Old 12-20-2010, 08:00 AM
 
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How would a Internet web site know your connection speed to your ISP?
You can do that pretty easily. The trick would be doing it accurately on the fly. Not going to research how exactly but the biggest issue I could see is getting accurate sampling since you need a fairly large file to do that. The best way to handle this if you're the website owner is allowing the user to pick what they want but that introduces problems itself because you would need them to load at least one page and make a selection. It's fairly easy to manipulate pages if you know what you need to serve.

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How would a web site know if you have an antique for a system?
There's various ways to test for different things, many of them rely on javascript though. You do send a user agent with every request for every page that includes OS, that would be one metric:

Whats My User Agent?

There are websites that will serve specific code based on the browser you are using because of incompatibilities amongst browsers, this is all done server side but they already know what browser you are using before the page is sent.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:55 PM
 
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There are websites that will serve specific code based on the browser you are using because of incompatibilities amongst browsers, this is all done server side but they already know what browser you are using before the page is sent.
Not always. The User Agent string isn't that hard to change via hex editor (I used to do that back when I used Links 0.99 heavily because some web sites insisted on feeding me the "mobile" version of their site), and some browsers like Firefox have plugins which let you do so. See "User Agent Switcher".
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:31 PM
 
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.........and some browsers like Firefox have plugins which let you do so. See "User Agent Switcher".
Already installed long time ago, I use it to test phpBB installs using a SE user agent because phpBB detects the user agent string specifically for bots and they get slightly altered page.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:20 AM
 
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Hex editing, agent cloning, etc... are done by folks that are outliers in the target audience of 99% of websites. Right now you would have to rely on js and flash tricks to determine the connection and computer speeds.

The multi-codepath could be standardized and web browsers could use Windows Experience Index (and it's equivelants on other systems) to choose which codepath to use. Similiar to how game developers use multiple code paths.
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