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Old 01-18-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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"Hmm a system where a person is given a number and needs to use it to buy goods and services. Where will Americans have heard of that before? Oh, that is right (the book of) Revelation."


Obama touts Internet ID for all US citizens - 668 the neighbour of the beast | TechEye
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Old 01-18-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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The bible belt isn't the only area in the country they'll have a tough time selling this beast.
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Old 01-18-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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"Hmm a system where a person is given a number and needs to use it to buy goods and services. Where will Americans have heard of that before? Oh, that is right (the book of) Revelation."


Obama touts Internet ID for all US citizens - 668 the neighbour of the beast | TechEye
How on earth will it help make things more secure? Sounds like one more opportunity for theft and misuse to me...
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:41 PM
 
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The article makes no sense, first it says this:

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CBS reports that the Obama administration is currently working on the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace, It will hand out Internet IDs to all Americans and be handled by the US Commerce Department rather than the Department of Homeland Security or the National Security Agency.
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The idea is that users would have an optional smart card or digital certificate that would prove their actual identities. These would be offered to consumers by online vendors for financial transactions.
Eh, just another FUD article concerning the Internet, this one written by an Italian author and how he interpreted something from CBS.

National Internet ID and an ID issued by a financial institution are two different things..... B of A already has something similar to this......

In 732 days 17 hours and 26 minutes obama will be history and whatever obama wants to do with the Internet will be gone with him...

Now if only obama would push for laws requiring bicycle riders to have a license to ride on public streets.....

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Old 01-19-2011, 05:16 AM
 
Location: The DMV
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Sounds like a PKI implementation.... nothing new. Good luck managing that. And I agree, not sure how much more secure it would make things. In fact, you could make an argument that it would potentially be less secure. As it stands right now, we use different credentials because we are authenticating into different systems. While this puts the effort on the user's end to better manage their credentials, an attack on the system would still be isolated to that system alone - making it a natural security barrier.

A single, centralized, authenticating mechanism would basically put all the keys in one basket. If that system was ever breached... the loss would be much larger. While I'm sure additional controls would be put in.... what's the cost of implementing and managing this system? Security is typically about risk, and the cost associated in dealing with it.

And really - what's the real goal here?
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Sounds like a PKI implementation.... nothing new. Good luck managing that. And I agree, not sure how much more secure it would make things. In fact, you could make an argument that it would potentially be less secure. As it stands right now, we use different credentials because we are authenticating into different systems. While this puts the effort on the user's end to better manage their credentials, an attack on the system would still be isolated to that system alone - making it a natural security barrier.

A single, centralized, authenticating mechanism would basically put all the keys in one basket. If that system was ever breached... the loss would be much larger. While I'm sure additional controls would be put in.... what's the cost of implementing and managing this system? Security is typically about risk, and the cost associated in dealing with it.

And really - what's the real goal here?
Control.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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In 732 days 17 hours and 26 minutes obama will be history and whatever obama wants to do with the Internet will be gone with him...

Now if only obama would push for laws requiring bicycle riders to have a license to ride on public streets.....
If you think this issue will go away simply because Obama leaves office you haven't been paying attention.
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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Ok, OK true it's not obama but the liberal progressives he installed as heads of departments that will be gone once he is out of the WH...

Like "they" can't monitor everything we do now......

Almost every major street intersection I see now has at least 4 camera's (we don't have red light tickets).

204 million lines of code in Windows 7... and the government doesn't have any back doors? yeah right

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Old 01-19-2011, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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"White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said that there would be no centralised database either."


Right, I trust him and I believe him. And no future government will ever have a centralized database, either. We can always trust our government to respect our privacy.
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Old 01-19-2011, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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One ID for everything? I see it as a system to consolidate information, passwords, identification, bank accounts, etc, into one secure government controlled ID. That sure would allow the government the easiest way to keep track of its citizens.
I think this is just a back door to monitor our Internet activity and snoop on everything any one does. This could also mean the end ot anonymous surfing.

Besides that, if some one cracks your password - they will have access to everything you do.
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