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Old 05-22-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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If you do this, you could also change the SSID. The intruders will not know the new name of the Wifi and it should keep them out.
Agreed, I should have added this.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:00 AM
 
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Another question - Is this router one that was provided by the ISP? Some ISPs have their routers set up so that anyone who is a subscriber can use the router to connect into the network. So anyone who has their phone set up to prefer wire.less over cellular will find your router and use it. Also since this 'feature' is standardized throughout the ISPs net the ones for the larger ISPs have probably been hacked and can be used by non subscribers.


I replaced the ISPs modem and router years ago. This gives me control as well as getting rid of the monthly rental charges.
Cable is notorious for this but I believe it’s a separate wireless network. I would never allow anyone to share my bandwidth.
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Old 05-22-2020, 12:08 PM
 
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Could call your cable company and report the thief. It is considered theft of service and is illegal. At least give them a call to see if they will intervene. Or talk to the kid's parents and let them know you will be sending this info to the internet provider. Or just tell them to take the kids computer and lodge is someplace the sun never shines.

In other words, don't allow this to happen!
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Old 05-22-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Could call your cable company and report the thief. It is considered theft of service and is illegal. At least give them a call to see if they will intervene. Or talk to the kid's parents and let them know you will be sending this info to the internet provider. Or just tell them to take the kids computer and lodge is someplace the sun never shines.

In other words, don't allow this to happen!
How would you know exactly who it is? The only identifier (short of admission) is a MAC address. That doesn’t show anything other than the manufacturer of the network hardware. And that assumes the person hitching a WiFi ride doesn’t spoof the MAC address.

The cable company really wouldn’t care, they would just advise to change the password, etc.
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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Another question - Is this router one that was provided by the ISP? Some ISPs have their routers set up so that anyone who is a subscriber can use the router to connect into the network.

That feature is isolated from your network. It should not affect the speed, data usage etc. Not sure about other providers but it can be disabled with Comcast. Of course buying you own modem and router as you mentioned eliminates it all together. It's something to consider for the cost savings alone. You can pretty much buy a new router and modem every year or two for what they charge to rent.
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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Cable is notorious for this but I believe it’s a separate wireless network. I would never allow anyone to share my bandwidth.

With Comcast it should be seamless at least that is what they claim. It certainly won't add to your usage if there is data cap, whether it can affect the speed of your connection is for someone to test. I'm sure someone has. I know the speeds for those hotspots are not that great.


The benefit to me as Comcast subscriber is there is hotspot nearly anywhere I go as long as they are provider for that area.


The biggest complaint is you are effectively paying Comcast to rent the modem and providing power to it so they can provide infrastructure to other customers. I have my own modem and router so I can't make that complaint.
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:53 PM
 
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Got the WPS turned off. It’s going to be a long process. I have to write down the device address and manually enter each address to block.
And likely not worth the hassle. MACs can be easily spoofed. If the kids know how to google (or install an app).. they can get around it. Or at least make you play a long cat/mouse game. You can set up reservations (sort of whitelisting vs. filtering)... but same in terms of the effort involved. Especially if you tend to add/move devices.

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Back up a second.... Have you enabled the password on the wifi? It appears you are talking about the password to get into routers interface. This only protects access to the interface, it's important to change it from default especially if you have open wifi connection but it doesn't prevent anyone from accessing the wifi. As another example if someone was at your house they wouldn't be able to get into the routers interlace by plugging into Ethernet port on router.


That interface is going to have settings for the wifi, you should have selection for the security protocol and a password. Select WPA2 or higher for security protocol and (re)set a password for the wifi. If no password has been set before that is how they are connecting because it's open connection. If you don't have at least WPA2 available it's time for new router. You will have to reconnect each device with new password. You may want to leave the WPS on to make it easier to reconnect devices and disable later if you want to add MAC address filtering.



This should be enough to keep the neighborhood kid out. Adding MAC address filtering is in addition to this but bear in mind MAC addresses can be spoofed, they do need to know what it is first.
^ That... could also be the key. If you're just changing the administrative password vs. the wifi password....

But yes - disable SSID broadcasting. Then change both the SSID and the WPA2 password. And use a strong password. If you do this, and still find them on your network - They're either being provided the password, your routers may have a vulnerability, or they really know what they're doing... and probably have more time breaking in than you do trying to protect it.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:17 PM
 
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That feature is isolated from your network. It should not affect the speed, data usage etc. Not sure about other providers but it can be disabled with Comcast. Of course buying you own modem and router as you mentioned eliminates it all together. It's something to consider for the cost savings alone. You can pretty much buy a new router and modem every year or two for what they charge to rent.

I don't know about disabling it. A neighbor was told he couldn't, that it was part of the agreement. His concern was that someone could use equipment that he was renting (and therefore in possession of for illegal purposes) he was worried about kiddie porn, there had been a resident of the area convicted of it). I already had my own modem and router (to save money). He would have preferred to use a pure internet provider but t Comcast is the only highspeed game around here. They really pushed using their equipment talking about how much more reliable it was and how they would handle all updates. It is nice having a neighbor who is as concerned (paranoid?) as I am.
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Old 05-22-2020, 05:38 PM
 
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So far no intruder issues that I know of. All day yesterday we had uninterrupted WiFi service. Got the ISP app working to track connected devices. A few times the WiFi signal stopped for a minute or two and then resumed. Each time I checked the connected devices and it’s still only our allowed devices. When we are connected it is slower than normal so the issue today may be network bottleneck from high usage.
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:11 AM
 
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How would you know exactly who it is? The only identifier (short of admission) is a MAC address. That doesn’t show anything other than the manufacturer of the network hardware. And that assumes the person hitching a WiFi ride doesn’t spoof the MAC address.

The cable company really wouldn’t care, they would just advise to change the password, etc.
Ok, didn't notice the word "SOME." So the OP didn't know what kid, but then I would also ask how does he know it is a kid and not an adult?

However, as for theft of service; most cable companies have it in the agreement that only the household that the internet is provided can use it. It would be against the contract and some will take an active role and go after who is taping into your wifi. But yes, they have to know who.
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