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Old Yesterday, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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This lovely email message graced my inbox this morning:

"We have reviewed your content and found severe or repeated violations of our Community Guidelines. Because of this, we have removed your channel from YouTube."

What, exactly, did I do to warrant this extreme measure? I haven't the slightest idea! My YouTube channel consists of exactly one video, one of those Hitler rants. (Parody is fair use, and there is no profanity or other offensive material in the subtitles.) I posted this video several years ago. Occasionally, a couple times a year, I might comment on someone else's video. But never once have I used foul language or been insulting or disrespectful. I've made absolutely no comments regarding politics.

Moreover, this is the very first time I've been told anything about "severe" or "repeated" violations. If I was such a severe and repeating violator, shouldn't they have warned me? Given me the chance to fix whatever it was that I was supposedly doing wrong?

I don't know if this is random coincidence, but last night I watched a video showing a plane taxiing and taking off from a rural airport on a flight to Chicago. The plane taxied for quite some time, so I commented "For a while I thought you were going to drive to Chicago instead of fly there." Then, this morning, my account is blocked and my comment was gone. I don't know if this had anything to do with it or not, but that's been my only input on YouTube for the past several months.

I've filed an appeal with them and now I wait for a response.

Has anyone else had anything like this happen? Is there any way for me to find out what I supposedly did wrong, or is my account, and my ability to comment on other videos, gone forever?
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Old Yesterday, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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Did you follow a link from your email and enter your youtube username/password? I'm thinking you were hacked. If you still have that email, hoover over the link and note where it goes at the bottom of your screen. Is it going to youtube.com or some other site?
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Old Yesterday, 12:08 PM
 
Location: NorCal...The Bay Area
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This lovely email message graced my inbox this morning:

"We have reviewed your content and found severe or repeated violations of our Community Guidelines. Because of this, we have removed your channel from YouTube."

What, exactly, did I do to warrant this extreme measure? I haven't the slightest idea! My YouTube channel consists of exactly one video, one of those Hitler rants. (Parody is fair use, and there is no profanity or other offensive material in the subtitles.) I posted this video several years ago. Occasionally, a couple times a year, I might comment on someone else's video. But never once have I used foul language or been insulting or disrespectful. I've made absolutely no comments regarding politics.







You would have to have repeated violations of TOS to be terminated tho....BUT....they don’t mess around with predatory behavior, harassment or pornography. Was your one video you...or a repost of somebody else’s video?
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Old Yesterday, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Did you follow a link from your email and enter your youtube username/password? I'm thinking you were hacked. If you still have that email, hoover over the link and note where it goes at the bottom of your screen. Is it going to youtube.com or some other site?
The appeals link goes to a secure Google site.
https://notifications.google.com

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You would have to have repeated violations of TOS to be terminated tho....BUT....they don’t mess around with predatory behavior, harassment or pornography. Was your one video you...or a repost of somebody else’s video?
The video was one that I created. It was one of those Hitler parody videos taken from the bunker scene in the movie Downfall. In mine, I had Hitler attempting in vain to figure out how to use the transit system to get to the Reichstag. There was absolutely nothing predatory, harassing, or pornographic about it.

And even if there were, why wasn't I given a warning and an opportunity to correct whatever mistakes they think I made? There was no warning of my supposedly ongoing violations of their TOS; the notice that I have been banned is the first communication I've received from them since the time I set up my account.
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Old Yesterday, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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The appeals link goes to a secure Google site.
https://notifications.google.com



The video was one that I created. It was one of those Hitler parody videos taken from the bunker scene in the movie Downfall. In mine, I had Hitler attempting in vain to figure out how to use the transit system to get to the Reichstag. There was absolutely nothing predatory, harassing, or pornographic about it.

And even if there were, why wasn't I given a warning and an opportunity to correct whatever mistakes they think I made? There was no warning of my supposedly ongoing violations of their TOS; the notice that I have been banned is the first communication I've received from them since the time I set up my account.
Yeah, YouTube doesn't like that type of videos, and they don't review the videos to see if the content is actually objectionable or not. They have bots that do that, and remove such videos automatically. You could possibly appeal the decision, but you would probably be wasting your time.

YouTube is a private company and they can allow or disallow any video they like, for any reason they feel like. It sucks, but it is what it is.
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Old Yesterday, 04:23 PM
 
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I got flagged for a copyright violation on YT - for daring to upload an old 8mm film my father took that had a soundtrack with NO sound. Simon & Garfunkle aside, their bots were tricked into thinking that the sound of silence had been copyrighted. I put up a rant against youtube in response. I think it took over six months for them to find and correct. Imagine what happens to all the data they mine and how it gets miscatagorized.
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Old Yesterday, 04:36 PM
 
Location: NorCal...The Bay Area
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And even if there were, why wasn't I given a warning and an opportunity to correct whatever mistakes they think I made? There was no warning of my supposedly ongoing violations of their TOS; the notice that I have been banned is the first communication I've received from them since the time I set up my account.




Because for more serious things, they don’t give warnings....like harassment & predatory stuff. It can be on comments you make too....especially if your account is kind of inactive with only 1 video on it in several yrs. I watch some comments on my channel...AND there are several that will write a lot of hateful or disgusting comments on many of my videos or my friends, but they have no videos themselves...or they have a couple that have been stolen from somebody else. They will shut down that type of account faster than others IMO...even tho it may take multiple complaints to do it.
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Old Yesterday, 07:18 PM
 
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Lots of talk in here about the problem. Which is fine. But how about we talk a bit about solutions?

First thing: Trying to mold oneself to always fit within Youtube's arbitrary guidelines is not a solution. It is wasteful to expend effort on this.
And before moving that effort over to some alternative, consider first that each new video host you move to shares or will eventually share many of the same structural problems that have made Youtube as terrible as it is today.

So with that, please stop thinking in terms of platforms and begin to think more in terms of protocols. A protocol through which one might host or view videos, which is distributed across several independent parties, does not place parties in a position to abuse power to begin with.
Our old friend, email is a shining example of this. No single entity is the sole operator and gatekeeper to whether or not one can have and use email. There are big players and there are small players following the same standard. And, most importantly, it is interoperable precisely because it is a protocol rather than a platform.

Without getting too specific, here are some interesting examples of video solutions which apply what I describe, to varying degrees:
Peertube
Odysee, and more broadly LBRY
Dtube, and more broadly IPFS
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Old Today, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Yeah, YouTube doesn't like that type of videos, and they don't review the videos to see if the content is actually objectionable or not. They have bots that do that, and remove such videos automatically. You could possibly appeal the decision, but you would probably be wasting your time.

YouTube is a private company and they can allow or disallow any video they like, for any reason they feel like. It sucks, but it is what it is.
If they didn't want Hitler parody videos up there, you'd think they could have just taken it down, or told me to take it down, instead of blocking my entire account without any warning.

You're right, You Tube is a private company and they can do what they want. The cable companies are private too, and their customer "service" was just as bad. Lo and behold, alternatives started cropping up, and people flocked to them, and now cable is a shadow of what it once was. I can only hope that the magic of competition will shake up You Tube as well, because right now they are acting like an arrogant, bullying monopoly.
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Old Today, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Because for more serious things, they don’t give warnings....like harassment & predatory stuff. It can be on comments you make too....especially if your account is kind of inactive with only 1 video on it in several yrs. I watch some comments on my channel...AND there are several that will write a lot of hateful or disgusting comments on many of my videos or my friends, but they have no videos themselves...or they have a couple that have been stolen from somebody else. They will shut down that type of account faster than others IMO...even tho it may take multiple complaints to do it.
I rarely comment on other videos, and when I do, I do it respectfully. I don't get into online arguments or debates on You Tube and I don't do anything that could even remotely be construed as being harassing or predatory.

My objection is not that they are policing their platform; indeed, that's exactly what they should be doing. My objection is that they gave me no warning but just shut me down. They did not give any indication as to what they think I did wrong and thus gave me no opportunity to explain myself or fix the problem, or even to show them that they were mistaken.

In legal terms, they have denied me due process. Yes, I know, they're a private company and they don't have to give me "due process." But angering your customers and treating them with arbitrary disdain is not a way to maintain a dominant position in one's industry. This sort of thing just opens them up to be challenged by competitors, or regulated in some way by the government. And it would serve them right.
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