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Old 08-20-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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Me?

I 'm not worried. I have "stops" in place.

There is plenty of liquidity...i can sell anytime.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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buy and hold with individual stocks is always dicey . one missed earnings report and 20% can disappear in a heart beat. even if you picked what you think is the best company ever you still do not know what the competitors are doing .

all my serious investing is always diversified fnds where buy and hold for you is no problem . analysts and managers make the choices then

even index funds have a manging committee who decide what to buy since funds like total market funds do not actually own everything .

buy and hold only really works on a fund level .
Or an ETF level. Such as VTI, SPY, etc.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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anything diversified is fine . even enough individual stocks if you can remove individual company risk by owning enough of them .

just market volatility is enough to drive most bonkers . they do not need a 2nd level of risk , namely individual company risk too.

for some that can deal with both it is fine but most of the public can not .
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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"Buy and hold" produces the best return. In fact, it is the most dangerous investing method to have. Ideally, you should take profit when the shares are irrationally high and cut your loses when it's going down. Yes, it takes some work but in the days of smartphones and discount online brokerage the efforts and costs are not much.
The biggest lies are probably the ones you've told yourself. You convinced yourself that you had a better understanding of the market, equites and some specific companies than you really did. This happens to a lot of people
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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The biggest lies are probably the ones you've told yourself. You convinced yourself that you had a better understanding of the market, equites and some specific companies than you really did. This happens to a lot of people


Well that didn't take long

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I am impressed by myself!
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Moscow
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I own 100 shares of AAPL -- not exactly a speculative or a stupid stock. I wanted to sell when it was like $130ish but this "buy and hold" mantra prevented me from doing so. Now it's under $115. My costs per Apple shares are $107.
In a simple term: if I went with my gut, I would have $2300+ in profit. Now, I have $800 in (paper) profit.
Any investing method that loses 66% of profit is not a sound method.
Thank God I saw THIS!

I am totally convinced by your one bit of anecdotal evidence. It TOTALLY refutes all the data supporting buy and hold strategies.

Thanks MrQ2!

MUST. BECOME. A. QUANT.
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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"Buy and hold" produces the best return. In fact, it is the most dangerous investing method to have. Ideally, you should take profit when the shares are irrationally high and cut your loses when it's going down. Yes, it takes some work but in the days of smartphones and discount online brokerage the efforts and costs are not much.
you forgot the first rule of investing

rule #1 -only buy stocks that are going up

rule #2 - if they are going down don't buy them .
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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... AAPL ... I wanted to sell when it as like $130ish but this "buy and hold" mantra prevented me from doing so.
How did the mantra prevent you from selling?

I say fook the mantra.
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Old 08-20-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
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Apple will be back at $130ish so what's the problem? Consider the stock on sale. Many good stocks/companies are going on sale. Apple is a very good company and its products are well liked among the masses. If you have a long time horizon than buy more stock and block out all of the distractions.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: City of the Angels
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Remember, the only time you lose money is when you execute and sell at a lower price.

Don't allow yourself to get into a position in life where your forced to sell and have to capture a loss.
Historically, time in the stock market is always on your side if you can wait long enough and don't need the money.
The worst that could happen is that your grandkids become filthy rich because you died before your stock was back in the money.
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