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Old 12-11-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Does anyone have Private Equity investments? How do they perform?

Does anyone work with JP Morgan private bank and having private equity investments through them? Im interested in experiences and thoughts.
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Old 12-11-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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Oh nice. An insider trading thread!
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Old 12-11-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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How someone else's private equity investments perform wouldn't be relevant unless you were investing in the same one.


This thread doesn't at this point have anything to do with insider trading
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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How someone else's private equity investments perform wouldn't be relevant unless you were investing in the same one.

This thread doesn't at this point have anything to do with insider trading
that would be a good sales tactic for someone trying to sell someone on private equity investments. of course, my dad's salesman tells him that he is getting him in the good ones. ultimately, you cant count on being the lucky one to pick the good ones so you would want to know the experiences of as many people as possible and aggregate performance numbers of the category. if different advisory firms have a better track record, then that is useful information. there has to be an ability to have a discussion on private equity investments among a group of people even if they arent all invested in the same thing.

im open to any somewhat informed input on the subject. it looks to me like a way to make rich people think they are getting in on something special while hitting them up with big fees.

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Old 12-11-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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Fidelity investments has some of the best business analysts around who spend their lives daily looking at private equity deals.

Funds like fidelity blue chip growth and fidelity growth company hold some of these private equity deals.

They just took a 25% write down on snapchat .

Overall they get more right then they get wrong but the risks are high. You need enough money to diversify these deals
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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Fidelity investments has some of the best business analysts around who spend their lives daily looking at private equity deals.

Funds like fidelity blue chip growth and fidelity growth company hold some of these private equity deals.

They just took a 25% write down on snapchat .

Overall they get more right then they get wrong but the risks are high. You need enough money to diversify these deals
so mutual funds can hold private equity investments but its also offered to individual rich people. i wonder if these rich people get the outperformance that they expect.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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You can google it . There is a site i saw that tracks the private equity deals fidelity holds in a few of its funds.

It shows you how they did. I am on my nook so i can't do links well.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:38 PM
 
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that would be a good sales tactic for someone trying to sell someone on private equity investments. of course, my dad's salesman tells him that he is getting him in the good ones. ultimately, you cant count on being the lucky one to pick the good ones so you would want to know the experiences of as many people as possible and aggregate performance numbers of the category. if different advisory firms have a better track record, then that is useful information. there has to be an ability to have a discussion on private equity investments among a group of people even if they arent all invested in the same thing.

im open to any somewhat informed input on the subject. it looks to me like a way to make rich people think they are getting in on something special while hitting them up with big fees.

What sales tactic are you talking about? You knowing how my private equity investments perform do you no good, is it the same managers, asset class, strategy? You wouldn't know this info so the feedback you are asking for isn't worth much.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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What sales tactic are you talking about? You knowing how my private equity investments perform do you no good, is it the same managers, asset class, strategy? You wouldn't know this info so the feedback you are asking for isn't worth much.
the tactic is to push an investment and when someone talks about other experiences you shut that down by suggesting that the only thing that matters is how wonderful this deal is.

me knowing how your private equity investments perform does me plenty good. I want to know about people's experience and performance. if you get a bunch of opinions, you can learn about investing in this type of investment. people may have feelings towards whether or not it was worth investing in private equity, they may have learned something about the fees, etc. etc. etc. there are lots of things people can say even to other people who aren't looking at the same specific deal.

its obvious most people have limited knowledge of this stuff so even if one person just walked through their single experience it could help educate people about it.
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Old 12-12-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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the tactic is to push an investment and when someone talks about other experiences you shut that down by suggesting that the only thing that matters is how wonderful this deal is.
I actually said others opinion or results would only matter if you were investing in the same thing with the same people running it. Or realistically a similar product run by the same people. Private equity can cover such a wide range of investment areas that soliciting random performance details is pretty much worthless but it's far from a sales tactic, I didnt suggest you purchase or avoid anything. If you don't understand this very basic concept you probably should stay away from investing in general.

Your solicitation would be pretty similar to saying "anyone have mutual funds? How's the performance?"

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me knowing how your private equity investments perform does me plenty good.
No it actually does you no good at all. Performance without context is absolutely worthless and that actually could be a sales tactic "hey look how great these private equity deals did" even though they may have nothing to do with the one being sold


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I want to know about people's experience and performance. if you get a bunch of opinions, you can learn about investing in this type of investment. people may have feelings towards whether or not it was worth investing in private equity, they may have learned something about the fees, etc. etc. etc. there are lots of things people can say even to other people who aren't looking at the same specific deal.

its obvious most people have limited knowledge of this stuff so even if one person just walked through their single experience it could help educate people about it.


Someone's experience? Maybe you do learn something there in terms of functionality but their performance would be highly irrelevant
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