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Old 09-12-2023, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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our mix of equities , bonds and gold has supported us for 8 years in retirement with a 6 figure draw and it’s still higher in value then the day we retired.

we have no use for any kind of annuity product at this stage

not that we have ever had a use for one
Your asset holdings is enough to where you don't need annuities.
Our Total (including home) asset holdings is about 2.1M of which 48% is in a income rental. We need the assurity of Income with stability.
YMMV
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Old 09-12-2023, 11:55 AM
 
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amount is irrelevant .

draw rates are the same regardless of the portfolio size so that is just false .

someone who needs to live on 4% inflation adjusted of a million is no different then someone who needs to live on 4% of 400k.

portfolio used and success rate will be identical…

it stays even steven regardless …

in fact someone with a lot less should not buy an annuity as they may need that money liquid for emergency’s….

the best way is to buy an annuity with some of the money from the bond budget and then reconfigure the allocation with the reduced amount left in your portfolio
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Old 09-12-2023, 12:49 PM
 
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amount is irrelevant .

draw rates are the same regardless of the portfolio size so that is just false .

someone who needs to live on 4% inflation adjusted of a million is no different then someone who needs to live on 4% of 400k.

portfolio used and success rate will be identical…

it stays even steven regardless …

in fact someone with a lot less should not buy an annuity as they may need that money liquid for emergency’s….

the best way is to buy an annuity with some of the money from the bond budget and then reconfigure the allocation with the reduced amount left in your portfolio
Agreed. Unless you have enough money in equities to offset inflation, you have no business buying a SPIA.
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Old 09-12-2023, 01:00 PM
 
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Agreed. Unless you have enough money in equities to offset inflation, you have no business buying a SPIA.
in fact annuities are best for those who have no need to make efficient use of their money thru investing .

we have some here that went almost all in on annuities because they have a lot of money .

they are not concerned about their money growing or keeping ahead of inflation, so if anything the opposite would apply more often then not
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Old 09-12-2023, 04:16 PM
 
Location: PNW
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i am not sure who is worse at predicting , jim grant or peter schiff …they are the worst.

he had to apologize publicly to ray dalio for falsely making accusations about bridgewater accounting .

he got inflation wrong

he called for a bear market this year

he called for gold soaring

he has been predicting hyper inflation forever

he is always a stock market bear for the most part .

at the end of the day no one can predict where rates are headed or markets

but his cult still hopes he is the great predictor.

they certainy are a lot poorer for following him then they would have been not

It's the first I had heard of him. I was listening to Jeff Gundlach. I like listening to Jeff Gundlach and Danielle Di Martino Booth and Lacy Hunt, etc.
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Old 09-12-2023, 04:21 PM
 
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I completely agree with you MathJak on your point about allocating your portfolio separate from SS, Pensions and Annuities. No way someone should buy an annuity if they aren't maxing out SS (the best annuity available). People should not tie up all their funds in annuity products. Unfortunately, we are all going to have to manage a lump sum (whether it's 6, 7, 8 or 9 figures). I doubt we have 9 figure people here; but, pretty sure we have a couple of 8 figure posters...
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Old 09-13-2023, 01:05 AM
 
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It's the first I had heard of him. I was listening to Jeff Gundlach. I like listening to Jeff Gundlach and Danielle Di Martino Booth and Lacy Hunt, etc.
jeff blew it many times too with his calls … he missed one of the biggest bond rally’s we had as well as stock rally’s .

there is no one who knows what’s next ..even a broken watch is right twice a day.

i listen to no one, never did …i find a comfortable strategy and go with it , no predicting

if anything i follow harry browns investing philosophy which is don’t try to predict or rule out things happening..plan and allow for them
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Old 09-13-2023, 01:16 AM
 
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harry had 17 rules , these are my favorite .he wrote these almost 50 years ago

Rule 3: Recognize the difference between investing and speculating.

When you invest, you accept the return the markets are paying investors in general. When you speculate, you attempt to beat that return — to do better than other investors are doing — through astute timing, forecasting, or stock selection, and with the implied belief that you’re smarter than most other investors.

You’re speculating when:

You select individual stocks, mutual funds, or stock market sectors you believe will do better than the market as a whole.
You move your capital in and out of markets according to how well you think they’ll perform in the near future.
You base your investments on current prospects for the nation’s economy.
You use fundamental analysis, technical analysis, cyclical analysis, or any other form of analysis or system to tell you when to buy and sell.
There’s nothing wrong with speculating — provided you do it with money you can afford to lose.

Rule 4: No one can predict the future.

Beware of fortune tellers.
Events in the investment markets result from the decisions of millions of different people. Investor advisors have no more ability to predict the future actions of human beings than psychics and fortune-tellers do. And so events never unfold as we were so sure they would.
Yes, there have been forecasts that came true. But the only reason we notice them is because it’s so exceptional for even one to come true. We forget about all the failed predictions because they’re so commonplace.
No one can reliably tell you what stocks will do next year, whether we’ll have more inflation, or how the economy will perform.
As with the rest of your life, safety doesn’t come from trying to peer into the future to eliminate uncertainty. Safety comes from devising realistic ways to deal with uncertainty.
We live in an uncertain world – and that no one can eliminate the uncertainty for you.
Look for ways to assure that the uncertain future won’t hurt you – no matter what it turns out to be.


Rule 5: No one can move you in and out of investments consistently with precise and profitable timing.

Don’t expect anyone to make you rich. You’ll hear about many Wall Street wizards, but the investment advisor with the perfect record up to now most likely will lose his touch the moment you start acting on his advice.
Investment advisors can be very valuable. A good advisor can help you understand how to do the things you know you need to do. He can help call your attention to risks you may have overlooked. And he can make you aware of new alternatives.
The Helper (accountant, etc) is worth listening to. He or she can acquaint you with investment alternatives you weren’t aware of, and that might be a good fit for you. He can teach you the mechanics and procedures for getting things done in the investment world. He can raise the questions you need to answer in order to devise a portfolio that suits your needs. He can help you reduce the tax bill on your investment profits.
You don’t act on the advice of someone you never heard of. And you hear of him only after – and because – he has made several profitable recommendations in a row.
The investment expert with the perfect record up to now will lose his touch as soon as you start acting on his advice.
But no one can guarantee to have you always in the right place at the right time. And worse, attempts to do so can sometimes be fatal to your portfolio.


Rule 6: No trading system will work as well in the future as it did in the past.

You’ll come across many trading systems or indicators that seem always to have signaled correctly where your money should have been, but somehow the systems never come through when your money is on the line.
Trading systems generally arise from one of two sources.
The first source is a commonsense observation about human behavior – which someone then tries to transform into a quantifiable, mechanical system.
For example, Contrary Opinion is a theory that says, among other things, that an investment is likely to be near its peak when everyone seems to know how good its prospects are.
The idea makes some sense. If everyone already knows something is a good investment, most people who are likely to buy it probably already have done so – leaving very few investors to buy it and push its price still higher.

In such a case, you should be skeptical about its prospects as a speculation.
But that doesn’t mean we know precisely when or at what price the investment will peak. You know only that there doesn’t seem to be room for the price to go much higher.
But people who devise trading systems aren’t satisfied with anything so indefinite. They devise indicators to measure the precise degree of bullishness and bearishness surrounding a specific investment – and then construct formulas that provide specific signals for buying and selling.
This is similar to taking an obvious truth – such as that attendance at sporting events is generally smaller on rainy days than on sunny days – and constructing a formula that supposedly translates the number of inches of rainfall into an exact forecast of the attendance.
The second source is probably finding something that has worked in the past and assuming it will work in the future. Trading systems are based on the unstated assumption that the world doesn’t change. But the world is in constant change – as desires change, demand changes, and supplies change.

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Old 09-13-2023, 01:19 AM
 
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and when it comes to annuity products

Rule 9: Don’t ever do anything you don’t understand.

Don’t undertake any investment, speculation, or investment program that you don’t understand. If you do, you may later discover risks you weren’t aware of. Or your losses might turn out to be greater than the amount you invested.
It’s better to leave your money in Treasury bills than to take chances with investments you don’t fully comprehend. It doesn’t matter that your brother-in-law, your best friend, or your favorite investment advisor understands some money-making scheme. It isn’t his money at risk. If you don’t understand it, don’t do it.

Rule 10: Don’t depend on any one investment, institution, or person for your safety.

Every investment has its time in the sun — and its moment of shame. Precious metals ruled the roost in the 1970s while stocks and bonds were in disgrace. But then gold and silver became the losers of the 1980s and 1990s, while stocks and bonds multiplied their value. No one investment is good for all times. Even Treasury bills can lose real value during times of inflation.
And you can’t rely on any single institution to protect your wealth for you. Old-line banks have failed and pension funds have folded. The company you think will keep your wealth safe might not be there when you’re ready to withdraw your life savings.
We live in an uncertain world, and surprises are the norm. You shouldn’t risk the chance that a single surprise will wipe out a large part of your holdings.
Diversify across investments and institutions – and keep things simple enough to manage yourself – you can relax, knowing that no one event can do you in.
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Old 09-13-2023, 02:56 AM
 
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M a t h j a k,

It all seems so obvious in retrospect...
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