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Old 06-28-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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Cedar rapids and iowa city are close to each other by touching each others county( linn and johnson) I have always wondered why they aren't one metro area like Waterloo and cf. CRs metro is about 260000 and ic about 150000 so I've wondered why it isn't combined. Also i wonder when the area will fill in so there isn't rural area between them. It might not be that long because north liberty is growing fast. One last thing.. Could this combined metro eventually be bigger than the desmoines metro
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Des Moines
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I suppose anything could happen, but even a combined Iowa City/Cedar Rapids metro overtaking the DSM population would be a long ways down the road.

Iowa City and Cedar Rapids have a combined metro area population of 408,587 with the latest estimates, compared to Des Moines' 562,906.

Iowa City and Cedar Rapids metro areas combined have added a total of 39,681 people, compared with the 81,512 added in Des Moines from 2000-2009.

Lastly, if Iowa City and Cedar Rapids are combined, then so are Des Moines and Ames, which brings Des Moines' and Ames' combined population to 650,120.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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Wow, I would never imagine IC and CR would combine like that. I wonder why?
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:06 PM
 
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As of 2006 the corridor was estimated at 430000 and Ames metro is about half Iowa city metro so I would say ic is more likely to combine than Ames and the growth is slightly more in the cr ic area so it would take a long time but maybe in 40 to 50 years
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Des Moines
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I pulled these stats from the State Data Center of Iowa, so you'll have to let them know they're undercounting the CR-IC area. I don't know how you could say that the growth is slightly more in the CR-IC metro when the Des Moines metro alone has just doubled the numeric population growth of an arbitrarily combined 'corridor' region on its own. Ames is no growth magnet, but from the southern tip of Ames' developed area to the northern tip of Ankeny's suburban growth, the 2 metros are 16 miles apart. This really isn't any farther than the developed areas of Cedar Rapids and northern suburbs of Iowa City.

Hell, my bottom line is I'm happy to see at least two areas of this state that are growing so well after decades of not much happening.
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:29 PM
 
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I'm happy to but I was talking percent not actual people cus desmoines is quite a bit higher in actual people gained
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:32 PM
 
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I know this isn't likely and it prob won't happen I just ment if cr and ic had a boom in population and desmoines for some reason started to lose people
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:34 AM
 
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I'm still pretty sure the DSM area is growing faster by % and raw numbers than the IC and CR areas.

Since 2000:

Des Moines +16.93%
Cedar Rapids +8.05%
Iowa City +15.63%

I've always thought that Iowa City was always pretty hot at 15% growth per decade, Cedar Rapids (except the 80's) was always slow and steady, but a healthy rate, and Des Moines has been ramping up speed since the 1980's. Des Moines seems to be hotter now than it ever was. Well, since the 50's and 60's when most metros in Iowa were growing quite a great deal.

For the two metros to merge, there has to be a certain level of commuting between the counties of the metro area. That's why Cedar Rapids gets Benton and Jones Counties, and Iowa City gets Washington County.

There are enough people commuting into Linn and Johnson County to pull in the entire counties of Benton, Jones, and Washington.

The area of Southern Linn and Northern Johnson is certainly growing, but there has to be cross-county commutes of at least 25% (I think?) for them to be one metro.

One thing that could also happen is that they remain separate metro areas, but combine to form one CSA. That's where there are lower thresholds, and you pull in counties that have less commuting, but it's still there. I believe this is what pulls in Jasper to Des Moines' CSA - even though Jasper isn't in Des Moines' MSA.

CSA's represent regions with multiple core areas that function with overlapping labor and media markets.

I could easily see CR and IC becoming a CSA, but MSA might be a harder feat. You'd have to have more people in CR work in IC or NL, and more people in IC work up in CR. Although from driving on I-380 at 5pm on a workday - it already seems like there's a lot!
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Chariton, Iowa
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I'm still pretty sure the DSM area is growing faster by % and raw numbers than the IC and CR areas.

Since 2000:

Des Moines +16.93%
Cedar Rapids +8.05%
Iowa City +15.63%

I've always thought that Iowa City was always pretty hot at 15% growth per decade, Cedar Rapids (except the 80's) was always slow and steady, but a healthy rate, and Des Moines has been ramping up speed since the 1980's. Des Moines seems to be hotter now than it ever was. Well, since the 50's and 60's when most metros in Iowa were growing quite a great deal.

For the two metros to merge, there has to be a certain level of commuting between the counties of the metro area. That's why Cedar Rapids gets Benton and Jones Counties, and Iowa City gets Washington County.

There are enough people commuting into Linn and Johnson County to pull in the entire counties of Benton, Jones, and Washington.

The area of Southern Linn and Northern Johnson is certainly growing, but there has to be cross-county commutes of at least 25% (I think?) for them to be one metro.

One thing that could also happen is that they remain separate metro areas, but combine to form one CSA. That's where there are lower thresholds, and you pull in counties that have less commuting, but it's still there. I believe this is what pulls in Jasper to Des Moines' CSA - even though Jasper isn't in Des Moines' MSA.

CSA's represent regions with multiple core areas that function with overlapping labor and media markets.

I could easily see CR and IC becoming a CSA, but MSA might be a harder feat. You'd have to have more people in CR work in IC or NL, and more people in IC work up in CR. Although from driving on I-380 at 5pm on a workday - it already seems like there's a lot!
Yes. I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new Iowa City-Cedar Rapids CSA formed after the 2010 Census comes out.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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Yes. I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new Iowa City-Cedar Rapids CSA formed after the 2010 Census comes out.
What do you know about the growth in this area?
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