POLL: Iowa vs Illinois (Des Moines, Dubuque: house, buying, go bankrupt)

[Dport7674]

What are we comparing here? Cedar Rapids vs. Peoria, what's the difference really?

[todd00]

Let's just form one state out of the two, call it Illinowa, and give Chicago to Wisconsin.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by rayman29

It's not an addictive. It's meat. Just meat that used to be left on the bone mixed in with the rest of the meat that's all it is. What do you think it is? All it is is thick meat that's been shred and mixed with the meat.

Compare pink slime ground beef to grass fed organic beef. The quality and flavor is remarkable. Why would we trust the USDA when this had been going on. And no, I do not consider "filler leftovers" to be meat in any shape or form. You must work for agribusiness.

[drawk04]

Iowa !!

[duster1979]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Compare pink slime ground beef to grass fed organic beef. The quality and flavor is remarkable. Why would we trust the USDA when this had been going on. And no, I do not consider "filler leftovers" to be meat in any shape or form. You must work for agribusiness.

There's nothing wrong with the "pink slime" in and of itself.

When a steak or any other cut of meat is trimmed before packaging there's always a small amount of beef that gets trimmed off with the fat. Someone has developed a process to remove the leftover meat from the fat; the process grinds the meat to a very small particle size which leaves it with the consistancy of paste, that's where the "slime" moniker comes from.

The problem with "pink slime" is the chemicals that are added to make it stay pink so it looks pretty in the display case. But that's no different than any prime cut of meat, except that one is treated with ammonia and the other is treated with carbon monoxide. Both are deadly, so why does the USDA say it's okay to put them in food? Interesting.

I try to buy beef on the hoof or certified organic, it's the only way to know that you aren't eating toxic chemicals.

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by il_blguy87

Would you move from Illinois to Iowa?
Would you move from Iowa to Illinois?
Why?

POLL

Having lived for several years in both, I like Iowa, but was not fond of Illinois. Reasons?

1. better education in Iowa
2. more educated citizens in Iowa
3. better work ethic in Iowa
4. less crime in Iowa
5. less corrupt politics in Iowa
6. judges who are not as corrupt in Iowa
7. state government less insane
8. fewer laywers in Iowa
9. more manufacturing in Iowa
10. better economy in Iowa
11. none of our last four governors are in prison
12. people in Iowa bathe and brush thier teeth (sometimes optional south of Peoria).
13. better roads in Iowa
14. lower property taxes in Iowa

[Zippity234]

hawkeye2009- Having lived for several years in both, I like Iowa, but was not fond of Illinois. Reasons?

1. better education in Iowa

Public K-12 may be better overall, but there is no lack of good school in IL both public and private. Colleges and Universities are better in IL.

2. more educated citizens in Iowa

Maybe in Des Moines or IC but not much in CR, Waterloo or DBQ.

3. better work ethic in Iowa
opinion not a fact

4. less crime in Iowa
and as always there are unreported crimes including racial hate crimes.

5. less corrupt politics in Iowa

Branstad is just as corrupt as some IL polities although less dumb than Blago in avoiding doing crimes or getting charged with them.

6. judges who are not as corrupt in Iowa

with what gun control? don't think so. IL is more strict with gun control

7. state government less insane
8. fewer laywers in Iowa
oh please, smaller population, economics of scale, Iowa does not need as many of them as Illinois

9. more manufacturing in Iowa
In recent years Iowa's economy has diversified into service areas and there is less manufacturing that it used to be few decades ago, just like in the whole country

10. better economy in Iowa
its also smaller so its easier to manage, that same cannot be said for California or New York

11. none of our last four governors are in prison
12. people in Iowa bathe and brush thier teeth (sometimes optional south of Peoria).

thats the dumbest comment I have ever read.

13. better roads in Iowa

of course you skipped Northern Illinois that has well built roads and highways. Illinois has in many locations good roads now and in recent years they have expanded projects and modernized roads.
14. lower property taxes in Iowa

but u pay higher state income tax if you make more than $13,221 - practically everybody working full-time and the more you make the more they tax you.

[Zippity234]

Top reasons why I would move to Illinois:
- Chicago (the state has a major metro area)
- Lake Michigan
- better standard of living, especially in Chicago and suburbs
- near major airport (vs small and more expensive with fewer choices)
- more choices
- more diversified and bigger economy
- more competition
- more colleges
- better food choices

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by Zippity234

Top reasons why I would move to Illinois:
- Chicago (the state has a major metro area)
- Lake Michigan
- better standard of living, especially in Chicago and suburbs
- near major airport (vs small and more expensive with fewer choices)
- more choices
- more diversified and bigger economy
- more competition
- more colleges
- better food choices

But how does Chicagos presence make the rest of Illinois any different from Iowa?

Do you have any idea how large Illinois is?? Chicago and its suburbs cover a pretty small area of Illinois when you look at it on the map. There are just over 100 counties in Illinois. And only eight of them are part of the Greater Chicago metropolitan area. And really only three of those are mostly built up with suburbs (Cook, DuPage, and Lake). The other five (Kane, McHenry, Will, Grundy, and Kendall) is at least still well over half covered in farms.

So, that really adds up to 5% of Illinois covered in Chicago and surrounding suburban areas.

I would agree with Ronnie, outside Chicago, Illinois and Iowa are practically the same. (Although SOUTHERN Illinois has more in common with Kentucky or Missouri). (hills, hollers, caves, cliffs, etc.)

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

But how does Chicagos presence make the rest of Illinois any different from Iowa?

Do you have any idea how large Illinois is?? Chicago and its suburbs cover a pretty small area of Illinois when you look at it on the map. There are just over 100 counties in Illinois. And only eight of them are part of the Greater Chicago metropolitan area. And really only three of those are mostly built up with suburbs (Cook, DuPage, and Lake). The other five (Kane, McHenry, Will, Grundy, and Kendall) is at least still well over half covered in farms.

So, that really adds up to 5% of Illinois covered in Chicago and surrounding suburban areas.

I would agree with Ronnie, outside Chicago, Illinois and Iowa are practically the same. (Although SOUTHERN Illinois has more in common with Kentucky or Missouri). (hills, hollers, caves, cliffs, etc.)

So they actually are very different.