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Old 02-20-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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If we're talking about Missouri now, large parts of it definitely have a southern sounding accent. My future father in law is from 'Missouruh'.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Hey, don't get all anal on me. She may have said "you all" or "ya all". I don't know, don't care, and don't remember since it wasn't all that big of deal (until now).

I also don't give a rat's behind about the boundaries drawn by some "expert" university linguist. What I DO know is what I've experienced the many times that we've been to the Kansas City area and the areas around the city. One of my best friends lives there and I love traveling down there to watch my Minnesota Twins (or occasionally the Vikings) play at the Harry S. Truman Complex. You can't beat the tailgating there. I like the Kansas City area.

My son lived in Shenandoah Iowa for several years. It is located only 10 miles from the Missouri border. A southern dialect is everywhere in this area despite what your university expert says.

Incidentally, if my history is correct, wasn't Missouri fighting for the south in the Civil War?

Missouri was not fighting for the south...have you ever actually picked up a Civil War book in your life? Missouri was a border state in the Civil War. It dedicated over 100,000 troops to the Union, no more than 50,000 to the Confederacy. So overall, no it didn't fight for the south. You are taking southern influences and actually stretching them to be more than that.

I can also tell you don't give a rat's ass about professional linguists because your word is the final word, am I right? If it sounds like a duck, it must be a duck. Good call

The average person will mistaken it for a southern dialect unless they know exactly what to look for. I'll even provide you the link that tells you what to look for assuming you're willing to go by what somebody else says and not your word alone. Also, fyi, the dialect from the upper midwest has 75% in common with Canadian dialect...people if they don't know what to look for will immediately assume you're from Canada. When you can get that, you'll get my argument.

And calling this a southern dialect and jumping to the conclusions you jump to tells me you've not only called Missouri the south, but all of Kansas, and 2/3 of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio the south, as well as southern Pennsylvania and eastern Colorado. So if that's how you feel, fine, more power to you. Just know it's simply wrong.

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Old 02-20-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Only 75% similarity. Must be completely different then.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:23 PM
 
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Only 75% similarity. Must be completely different then.
You just have to have the last word...too bad I'm gonna have it now.

So you think that Eastern Colorado, all of Kansas, Missouri, and 2/3 of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio are the south then...because if you call that Southern, you'd better be prepared to include all of these areas in addition to Southern Pennsylvania and everywhere in Maryland outside of the southern parts.

And there's 75% similarity between Upper Midwest dialect and Canadian dialect, yet everyone acknowledges them as different.

And I never said the dialect in most of Missouri was completely different from the south...however, it is different enough and exists only outside of the south. Thanks for your insight Ronnie. I'm also quitting on this thread. Logic doesn't seem to exist on these forums.

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Old 02-20-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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If we're talking about Missouri now, large parts of it definitely have a southern sounding accent. My future father in law is from 'Missouruh'.
Southern sounding doesn't=Southern. See my link below for proof. It's to the ultimate phonological atlas and linguistics mapping. This will explain to you what you're actually hearing vs. what you think you're hearing. Missouruh is also not a southern thing either...only people from the state call it that name. Depending on if he's in where southern dialect exists in Missouri versus where South Midland exists, he does or doesn't have a southern accent...most of the state has an accent that can be found everywhere across the Lower Midwest.

I can say the same thing about Minnesotans having a Canadian sounding dialect, yet will I call them Canadian based on that? Nope.

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atla...tionalMap.html

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Old 02-20-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Only 75% similarity. Must be completely different then.
Upon actual further reading, that 75% I originally had in mind was not for the South Midland dialect to the South and itself, but simply a single type of pronunciation.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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You might also want to clarify that St. Louis is a city and Kansas is a state.

Typical steadfast denial of the obvious.

Anyone who has spent any time in Missouruh can tell you that you can pick up on a southern accent, some call it a "twang".

It's a dumb argument, because linguists don't classify it as being a true Southern accent, although it sounds Southern, therefore, it isn't really Southern, and it only sounds Southern while not being truly Southern, because it only has 75% in common, lol.

Generally, if you're close to a Waffle House, except to hear Southern accents. No shortage of those in Missouruh.
I was never a big fan of RJ ... but this makes sense

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Old 02-20-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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Southern sounding doesn't=Southern.....I can say the same thing about Minnesotans having a Canadian sounding dialect, yet will I call them Canadian based on that? Nope.


I never said I consider Missouri a southern state because they have a southern sounding accent.
Just like I wouldn't call a person from Minnesota a Canadian just because they share some of same accent. That would be stupid.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:07 PM
 
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I was never a big fan of RJ ... but this does makes sense
Ronnie took my statement and decided it meant something else. And I also upon further reading now realize I made a mistake in saying there was 75% overall similarity. That was just for one characteristic of the accent, not for the whole thing. Therefore, Ronnie is still ignorant.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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You might also want to clarify that St. Louis is a city and Kansas is a state.

Typical steadfast denial of the obvious.

Anyone who has spent any time in Missouruh can tell you that you can pick up on a southern accent, some call it a "twang".

It's a dumb argument, because linguists don't classify it as being a true Southern accent, although it sounds Southern, therefore, it isn't really Southern, and it only sounds Southern while not being truly Southern, because it only has 75% in common, lol.

Generally, if you're close to a Waffle House, except to hear Southern accents. No shortage of those in Missouruh.
Now that is ignorance...being at a Waffle House and expecting to here southern accents...i'll keep that in mind next time I'm by Lambert St. Louis airport. And yes, 75% doesn't=truly southern, however, upon reading my link further, which I'll provide below, I found that I misread that particular piece of data. It says external consistency for just one piece of criterion. Nonetheless, the South Midland and Southern dialects have a lot in common...but they are not the same accent. Even if I had been accurate in saying 75% it still wouldn't have been correct. I'm getting sick of this. You seem to be on a mission to say Missouri is full of southern accents. Yet look up maps of Southern dialect and they will show you the contrary. Finally...to call this state a southern state based on its accents is to call kansas, eastern colorado, and 2/3 of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio the south. Good luck with that logic and even better luck telling residents of those states that lol.

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