would Iowans like to see Iowa & Iowa State in the same conference

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by capitalcityguy

I assume you're talking football only. Basketball is clearly in Iowa State's favor. As long as Hoiberg is coach, he'll be bringing in talent to take them to the Sweet 16 almost annually from here on out IMO.

does ISU have a basketball recruiting base somewhere that Iowa doesn't also work? for what it is worth, capitalcityguy, I would say that the old Iowa/Iowa State gap has narrowed considerably. And, in all fairness, I don't see the Hawkeyes easily returning to prominence in the new Big Ten. Too many factors fight against it. Nebraska challenges from the west. Minnesota is on the rise. Northwestern usually has Iowa's number in football (and despite last year, the Cats still have a future) And there really was never a time when Wisconsin and Iowa were both in ascendence….one tends to be up, the other down. And Wisconsin's "up" right now isn't going away; Wisconsin,by definition, is now a "program".

Iowa and Iowa State have narrowed that gap, I'd say; I don't think you will ever get anything with Iowa-Iowa State akin to the narrowing and closing the gap between U-M and MSU where the notion of big brother is now history and the two programs in football and basketball are peer programs. Then again, MSU is far less likely to play a true "little brother" than ISU; MSU is just just too damn powerful and high profile in areas inside and outside of athletics to do that. MSU just doesn't come off as a ______ State University vs the University of _______ the way some schools (ISU, KSU, Ok St)

[capitalcityguy]

Originally Posted by edsg25

does ISU have a basketball recruiting base somewhere that Iowa doesn't also work? for what it is worth, capitalcityguy, I would say that the old Iowa/Iowa State gap has narrowed considerably. And, in all fairness, I don't see the Hawkeyes easily returning to prominence in the new Big Ten. Too many factors fight against it. Nebraska challenges from the west. Minnesota is on the rise. Northwestern usually has Iowa's number in football (and despite last year, the Cats still have a future) And there really was never a time when Wisconsin and Iowa were both in ascendence….one tends to be up, the other down. And Wisconsin's "up" right now isn't going away; Wisconsin,by definition, is now a "program".

Iowa and Iowa State have narrowed that gap, I'd say; I don't think you will ever get anything with Iowa-Iowa State akin to the narrowing and closing the gap between U-M and MSU where the notion of big brother is now history and the two programs in football and basketball are peer programs. Then again, MSU is far less likely to play a true "little brother" than ISU; MSU is just just too damn powerful and high profile in areas inside and outside of athletics to do that. MSU just doesn't come off as a ______ State University vs the University of _______ the way some schools (ISU, KSU, Ok St)

I don't follow BB recruiting close enough to be able to answer that question. I think it is safe to say the coaches are different enough that they target different types of players to recruit. I think a lot of that has to do with Hoiberg's NBA background.

Agreed that Iowa/ISU won't raise to the level's of the Michigan school. Simply not enough population base or traditional to pull from.

[fezzador]

Originally Posted by edsg25

no state in the nation has had two major public universities apart from each other in two separate major conferences as Iowa and Iowa State.

Of course, part of the mix of what makes the Hawkeyes vs. Cyclones special is that Iowa goes in representing the Big Ten and Iowa State did/does go in representing the Big 8/Big 12.

But if Iowans had a choice, would they like to see Iowa and ISU in the same conference? and by "same conference", that would have to be the Big Ten; Iowa would never leave the conference.

then the question arises: would Iowa want to see Iowa State in the Big Ten? Do the Hawkeyes, the big brother, the upper hand, like that they have Big Ten status and ISU does not? Years ago, Michigan worked hard to keep MSU out of the Big Ten, but eventually around 1950 failed. Would that be the same approach Iowa would take to ISU?

Not true. Clemson and South Carolina are also major publics in separate conferences, as well as Kentucky/Louisville, Colorado/Colorado State (not technically a BCS school, but nevertheless, still a large public), and there's probably others as well.

Also, way back in the day, in the 1910s-1920s, Iowa and Iowa State were in the same conference (Missouri Valley, a predecessor to the Big 8/Big 12), albeit for just a few seasons. Iowa eventually returned to the Big Ten but ISU stayed put, and have been separated ever since.

As it stands, the only way that the two schools will ever get together in the same conference is if Iowa bolts to the B12, and they'd be absolutely insane to do that (the B1G is a much richer and more prestigious conference, and the U of I has absolutely no interest in being another patsy for the U of Texas and their Longhorn Network). The B1G has little interest in ISU (doesn't offer anything special in academics, market, or athletics) and the brass at the U of I would likely do all they can to block ISU from entering, anyway.

[Teddy52]

I'm not an Iowan, ( retired Minnesotan) but I really wish the Big Ten would have pushed hard to get both Missouri and Iowa State.

Maryland ?

C'mon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by fezzador

Not true. Clemson and South Carolina are also major publics in separate conferences, as well as Kentucky/Louisville, Colorado/Colorado State (not technically a BCS school, but nevertheless, still a large public), and there's probably others as well.

Also, way back in the day, in the 1910s-1920s, Iowa and Iowa State were in the same conference (Missouri Valley, a predecessor to the Big 8/Big 12), albeit for just a few seasons. Iowa eventually returned to the Big Ten but ISU stayed put, and have been separated ever since.

As it stands, the only way that the two schools will ever get together in the same conference is if Iowa bolts to the B12, and they'd be absolutely insane to do that (the B1G is a much richer and more prestigious conference, and the U of I has absolutely no interest in being another patsy for the U of Texas and their Longhorn Network). The B1G has little interest in ISU (doesn't offer anything special in academics, market, or athletics) and the brass at the U of I would likely do all they can to block ISU from entering, anyway.

I said no state has gone as long with schools in different conferences as Iowa. Clemson and South Carolina played in the ACC (and even before its existence they were together in the giant Southern Conference) for a long time before S. Carolina left. Kentucky and Louisville were not the same. Louisville was not in a major conference; it was a mid-major. only in recent years has the program truly risen. Colorado and Colorado State once shared the Rocky Mountain Conference.

I fully agree with you on the early history of Iowa and ISC football;no argument there. All I am saying is that that they parted ways in the early 20th century. None of the other combinations did and in the case of UK/UL, there was only one major school for a long time. It is quite similar to UF and FSU: never in the same conference, but FSU was not only minor, it was a women's college.

In this respect, Iowa and Iowa State are unique.

[duster1979]

Originally Posted by edsg25

I said no state has gone as long with schools in different conferences as Iowa.

No, you didn't. You said:

Originally Posted by edsg25

no state in the nation has had two major public universities apart from each other in two separate major conferences as Iowa and Iowa State.

I was about to post the same thing fezzador did until I read this post.

That being said, I care about which conference each team is an about as much as I care whether Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez are on or off this week. Maybe less.

Looking at it subjectively there are probably more advantages to having them in separate conferences; having a wider variety of visiting schools coming to the state and the opportunity of having each school be conference champion in the same year (not that it's likely to happen anytime soon) being a couple that come to mind.

[Dport7674]

Originally Posted by Teddy52

I'm not an Iowan, ( retired Minnesotan) but I really wish the Big Ten would have pushed hard to get both Missouri and Iowa State.

Maryland ?

C'mon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maryland and Rutgers opens up the east coast. The revenue of the Big10 network will probably double.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by duster1979

No, you didn't. You said:



I was about to post the same thing fezzador did until I read this post.

That being said, I care about which conference each team is an about as much as I care whether Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez are on or off this week. Maybe less.

Looking at it subjectively there are probably more advantages to having them in separate conferences; having a wider variety of visiting schools coming to the state and the opportunity of having each school be conference champion in the same year (not that it's likely to happen anytime soon) being a couple that come to mind.

you were right and i was wrong….left out the words "as long as Iowa"……however, I think my "been apart" suggested what i really meant.

[psulions2007]

Originally Posted by edsg25

no state in the nation has had two major public universities apart from each other in two separate major conferences as Iowa and Iowa State.

Not quite.

States with the major flagship and/or land grant schools in different conferences:

Colorado: CU- Pac-12, CSU- MWC
Florida: UF- SEC, FSU- ACC
Georgia: UGA- SEC, GT- ACC
Iowa: Iowa- B1G, ISU- Big XII
Kentucky: UK- SEC, UofL- ACC (Fall 2014)
New Mexico: UNM- MWC, NMSU- WAC/Sun Belt
Pennsylvania: PSU- B1G, Pitt- ACC
South Carolina: USC- SEC, Clemson- ACC
Texas: UT- Big XII, TAMU- SEC

[fezzador]

Originally Posted by psulions2007

Not quite.

States with the major flagship and/or land grant schools in different conferences:

Colorado: CU- Pac-12, CSU- MWC
Florida: UF- SEC, FSU- ACC
Georgia: UGA- SEC, GT- ACC
Iowa: Iowa- B1G, ISU- Big XII
Kentucky: UK- SEC, UofL- ACC (Fall 2014)
New Mexico: UNM- MWC, NMSU- WAC/Sun Belt
Pennsylvania: PSU- B1G, Pitt- ACC
South Carolina: USC- SEC, Clemson- ACC
Texas: UT- Big XII, TAMU- SEC

Try reading the thread in its entirety. This has already been brought up.