08-26-2014, 08:48 PM
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Hey All-
My Husband's employer is relocating us to Burlington/Fort Madison. I've never been there and kind of dread going back to a small town (we're from a large city). Also, I see online that there are a lot of fertilizer and industrial plants in Burlington. Do any of you have experience with this area or have opinions about the polluting companies that manufacture there? I want to be sure we don't buy in the wrong area. Also, I have an MBA and wonder what the job market is like. Any tips or insight would be appreciated!
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08-27-2014, 08:05 AM
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Hi Rubysmom,
For the sake all that is good in this world, don't make this move. Okay, I'll explain it in a little more detail.
Burlington is a city of 26,000. It is not a place where an MBA is dramatically useful. From one MBA to another, my education was absolutely useless in Iowa. I was near a bigger city, Iowa City, but it still wasn't useful. When you move to a city that small jobs WILL be based on nepotism and seniority will trump ability. You may literally have doors slammed in your face. I experienced that during my job hunt. People with dramatically inferior qualifications will be regularly be involved in the screening process and they will ensure that you don't get in the way of their future promotions.
If you don't love small town living, you won't suddenly change your mind. I haven't spent much time around Burlington, and I wont' since I have no plans to return to Iowa, but it is wise to ask for information about the smells. Hopefully someone that lived there as an adult, not born into the smell, can comment on what they noticed.
If you're disliking small cities, rest assured that 26k, no matter the city, is not going to be large enough to offer the amenities you may want.
I'm not bashing on Iowa for the crummy job market, the unemployment rate is misleadingly good. I'm not bashing on the state for not having amenities. Des Moines has most things you might want, outside of real professional sports (sorry D-league). The issues with nepotism are dramatically more prevalent in the Midwest than in any other region of the country. Since I can't attach anything to forum posts, use the following link to the map.
Map reveals U.S. states with high percentage of native residents and those full of people from somewhere else | Mail Online
The map colors dark red if someone living in the area was born there. It colors white if they were not. Each tiny segment then falls somewhere between dark red and white based on the percentage of people in that tiny region. The deeper red colors indicate the areas where nepotism is absolutely rampant. When people don't move and experience new areas in the world, it is easier for them to shut their minds and treat people as "outsiders". You'll notice it is the Midwest that is colored a deep shade of red. If you were to further refine that map, you would find that large and huge cities (IE Minneapolis and Chicago) have more transplants than the more rural areas. Within the Midwest, if you want your MBA to really propel your career, you need to have access to a major city that has more transplants and more jobs. The larger market ensures there are jobs that actually meet your qualifications, and the higher transplant rate means a higher percentage of the jobs will have competitive hiring processes. There is nothing like being interviewed for a job after they picked a candidate. I found out later it's company policy, coming from outside of Iowa, that they were required to interview a minimum number of candidates in an attempt to combat nepotism. Since they were hiring their cousin for the job, they met the requirements by inviting several people down to interview at the same time, pulling us in one at a time and asking one to two questions that were only moderately related to the job description, and then ending the interview.
I'm not an unsuccessful person. I left Iowa and moved into automation engineering within a year. I moved on to a position as a financial analyst about a year after that. As soon as I left Iowa and moved back to a midsize, about 600k, city my career took off.
The general premise of moving from a large city to a small city in the Midwest with an MBA and no job lined up is just begging for "Captive Spouse Syndrome". Yes, it's a real diagnosis. I ended up seeing someone there while we were making our plans to leave. I was immediately diagnosed with Captive Spouse Syndrome, and he explained that it was common in Iowa City because U of I was an incredible hospital in a tiny city with no other great employers. It was common that one spouse would get a job at U of I, the couple would move, and whomever was not employed there would find themselves a captive to the job their spouse had. His recommendation: Proceed full speed with moving away from the city and get to a mid or large sized city where my abilities would be appreciated by employers. As a side note, my wife was completely on board with leaving, and the professional knew that my wife was on board with the plan. He wasn't providing council to screw up my marriage, he just knew we would be better off if we left. He was precisely right. I hope you never experience the difficulties I endured.
Best of luck,
Lurtsman
08-28-2014, 04:40 PM
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I lived in Burlington from birth to age 29. I could not live there again, but I do miss my favorite pizza place (Napoli's) and the potoato chips of my childhood (Sterzing's). The river is beautiful from the bluffs, especially at Crapo Park. (up close not so much)
I know a LOT of people that I grew up with that are still there, and they are quite happy with their lives. It's just too small and slow paced for me.
I left in 2001 but have quite a bit of experience with the place if you have any other specific questions.
Tne only pollution I would worry about is the long term effects of the Ammunition Plant.
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08-30-2014, 09:24 AM
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Sorry for the delay in response, guys. Thank you for your feedback. Lurtsman, I really and truly wish I COULD avoid this move. I grew up in a BIG city and I absolutely wither in small towns. We've lived in two, always with the promise of a better spot next time and it never happens. I'm not trying to dog the heartland, it's just not my cup of tea. The pace is too slow, the culture (arts, theater, progress) is lacking and it's incredibly hard to make friends in the overly clique environment.
That being said.....
My Husband has always made more than me, with an inflexible company, so we go where they send him. We were previously Army, which was wonderful for my career (spouse hiring preference and incentives - it was awesome) but this civilian company has completely destroyed it. I have been working from home, but that is about to end. SO, I guess I should just become a baby machine because it doesn't sound like Iowa will be any different. We move, on average, every six months but this will be a long term spot. They tell us we'll be there 3-5 years, which seems like an eternity. All the searches I've done come up with the same thing. Realtor.com shows a lot of overpriced crap that would still need 20k of renovations. I was raised in a green home, so the idea of living between industrial fertilizer plants (F You Monsanto) is terrifying. I'm just looking for the best of this worst situation. Maybe Keokuk? I don't know.
Maybe I have captive spouse syndrome, lol!
08-30-2014, 11:58 AM
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Iowa is very family friendly, and having children will help you make friends.
Maybe you can find another work from home job?
08-30-2014, 09:50 PM
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Hi RubysMom,
I was born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio until 3rd grade when we moved to the southeast corner of Iowa in elementary school. After getting married, I lived in metropolitan areas but eventually we were moved back to SE Iowa. I would not recommend moving to Keokuk over the Burlington area. Sadly, the Keokuk area has really gone downhill due to loss of industry. I still have family there and it always saddens me to see how the area has gotten. I would also not recommend living in Burlington proper. I would recommend West Burlington for sake of schools and housing. If your husband doesn't mind driving, the Iowa City/Coralville area might be the place to look, it sounds like you would enjoy that area more. I do not notice a smell from fertilizer plants in our area. Even as a transplant as an adult I would say the city had worse smells.
09-04-2014, 07:25 AM
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Oh Rubysmom,
I am so sorry about the situation with your husband's employment. You sound like a wonderful person, and I have echoed many of the sentiments you just expressed. I absolutely loathe Monsanto, and I don't feel at home without a real city. Iowa City was far too small for me. 3-5 years in Iowa can feel like an eternity. I was there for 4 years and 8 months, pretty much to the day.
As you've seen from Elle, she grew up there, realized it wasn't for her, and got the **** out. If memory serves correctly, I believe she relocated to Phx and is soaking up the sun. Good for her
She made some good decisions.
What you describe, not finding work, wanting to get out of small towns, feels like eternity, always thinking maybe we can move somewhere I actually want to be, those are all familiar signs of captive spouse syndrome. I hope there is some way for your husband to plan a transition. How specific is his skill set? Would other employers be an option? For his military background, he may be able to find a job for the armed forces or the contractors that serve them. Plenty of great opportunities in cities like San Diego and Colorado Springs. When we relocated out of Iowa, we literally spent over a year researching the country to ensure we didn't foolishly move to another place that we disliked as vehemently as we had disliked IC. We moved to Colorado Springs and love it. I don't know if your husband would be able to apply for any similar jobs with other employers, but the savings on moving (time and money), combined with the benefits of long term financing on a house, can easily cover a reduction in pay. If it were just for 6 months, I'd say to make the best of it, but life is too short to waste 3 to 5 years living in a small town when you're a big city man or woman.
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I know it's been a number of years since you posted this, Rubysmom, and I don't know how often you're on city-data, but I'm curious to know your experience once you arrived and settled into Burlington, as I had a similar one to Lurtsman when I moved to a small Southern town.
I was wondering how your move to Burlington was (is)? Are you still there, since you mentioned it was going to be a longer placement or have you moved on? I hope you don't think I'm being creepy or stalker-y, just interested in how everything turned out.
Sincerely,
HappyGal
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)