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Old 01-30-2008, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Chariton, Iowa
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They've been saying things like this since the 1970s. Yet we are right where we should be given the inflation index.

Could we please stop pretending to be Dallas, Chicago, New York or the east coast? People dont ride trains in those cities to save the environment or because they enjoy it. It is their only practical option because traffic is so bad. Traffic will never be that bad in Iowa.
You may be right,and you may be wrong, but in any case I think it makes sense to start the work on this system now. These things take a long time to build and set up, and who knows what the price of gas may be in the five or more years it could take to upgrade the line and build the infrastructure. It would suck to be having this same conversation five years from now with gas at $6 a gallon wondering why we didn't work on those upgrades earlier.

Also, we may not be Dallas or Chicago, but I'm sure there's a lot of international students, out of state students, Chicagoans, people without cars and environmentalists around here who would be exactly the ones who would "enjoy it".
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Old 02-03-2008, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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They've been saying things like this since the 1970s. Yet we are right where we should be given the inflation index.

Could we please stop pretending to be Dallas, Chicago, New York or the east coast? People dont ride trains in those cities to save the environment or because they enjoy it. It is their only practical option because traffic is so bad. Traffic will never be that bad in Iowa.
The oil crisis of the 70's was a direct result of OPEC Nations denying western nations whom supported the Israelis during the Yom Kippur War.
Also, the Oil Embargo of 73' targeting the US directly because of supporting the Israeli's, of course.

Our coming oil crisis will be a result of supply and demand and/or terrorist sabotage. Oil fields are "Proved" to be in decline as demand is dramatically increasing.

Wouldn’t any logical thinker only assume prices will reach unaffordable levels sometime in the near future?

Note: Price per barrel of oil following Sept. 11th attacks fell below $20/Barrel
Prices had closed above $100/Barrel in late 2007.

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Old 02-03-2008, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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The oil crisis of the 70's was a direct result of OPEC Nations denying western nations whom supported the Israelis during the Yom Kippur War.
Also, the Oil Embargo of 73' targeting the US directly because of supporting the Israeli's, of course.

Our coming oil crisis will be a result of supply and demand and/or terrorist sabotage. Oil fields are "Proved" to be in decline as demand is dramatically increasing.

Wouldn’t any logical thinker only assume prices will reach unaffordable levels sometime in the near future?

Note: Price per barrel of oil following Sept. 11th attacks fell below $20/Barrel
Prices had closed above $100/Barrel in late 2007.
So rising foreign oil prices mean we should build a mass transit system? I don't follow your logic. I would rather seek out more oil or come up with better ways to power our existing automobiles. The rail system from one point in CR to one point in IC may cost less than another lane. But to be effective there will have to be a lot of extra rail lines and depots put in all over each city for people to use it in their everyday activities. By then you are way past what it would cost for an extra freeway lane.

Whoever brought up this oil argument... it doesn't apply to I380. Cities add a lane to their freeway systems all the time. I think this would be a smart idea and serve the Iowa City/CR area for decades to come.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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So rising foreign oil prices mean we should build a mass transit system? I don't follow your logic. I would rather seek out more oil or come up with better ways to power our existing automobiles. The rail system from one point in CR to one point in IC may cost less than another lane. But to be effective there will have to be a lot of extra rail lines and depots put in all over each city for people to use it in their everyday activities. By then you are way past what it would cost for an extra freeway lane.

Whoever brought up this oil argument... it doesn't apply to I380. Cities add a lane to their freeway systems all the time. I think this would be a smart idea and serve the Iowa City/CR area for decades to come.
I brought up the oil argument as an alternative to your illogical presumption that a 3rd lane is needed between 2 undersized cities. I've driven I-380 between CR and I-City and there is absolutely no justification for a 3rd lane.

Is it to make is feel more "big time" than it actually is?

A train would better serve for working commuters to each city even though a train isn’t really needed either.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Batavia, IL
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A train is a ridiculous idea for IC to CR. If it was worthwhile, it would be financed and built, not subsidized with govt funds. People love their cars, the independence it gives them and they will use them, period. The volume of traffic on 380 isnt bad at all, I80 could be 6 lanes across the state and be justified with the volume of traffic, but it isnt an absolute neccessity ( yet ). If rail was the answer, why isnt Metra just totally ending the congestion in the Chicagoland area? Its limiting, often isnt practical to lifestyle/city designs and cars are still needed to get to the end point in most instances anyway. In Iowa, where it is more spread out, how is it a better option? It becomes an expensive novelty ride, thats all.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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A train is a ridiculous idea for IC to CR. If it was worthwhile, it would be financed and built, not subsidized with govt funds. People love their cars, the independence it gives them and they will use them, period. The volume of traffic on 380 isnt bad at all, I80 could be 6 lanes across the state and be justified with the volume of traffic, but it isnt an absolute neccessity ( yet ). If rail was the answer, why isnt Metra just totally ending the congestion in the Chicagoland area? Its limiting, often isnt practical to lifestyle/city designs and cars are still needed to get to the end point in most instances anyway. In Iowa, where it is more spread out, how is it a better option? It becomes an expensive novelty ride, thats all.
Yeah, once again all that is the present. As the price of oil changes so does the entire transportation industry. Right now, neither a train nor extra lanes are needed.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Des Moines Metro
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Yeah, once again all that is the present. As the price of oil changes so does the entire transportation industry. Right now, neither a train nor extra lanes are needed.
I agree with the first part, disagree with the second part, i-380 would need three lanes each way if no train.
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Old 02-03-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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The roads should be widened to improve safety and traffic flow (I-380 and most certainly I-80).

Regarding oil, I wish that we can go to electric cars that can run for long distances (which will come with futher testing and efforts by car makers) and cut down on our need for oil and be cleaner for the environment.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Chariton, Iowa
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I agree with the first part, disagree with the second part, i-380 would need three lanes each way if no train.
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The roads should be widened to improve safety and traffic flow (I-380 and most certainly I-80).
I think that's right. Either way, one or the other needs to be done in the next 5-10 years. There's also some other things that'd help, like a second North Liberty exit.

I don't think at this point, another lane is needed for safety. I haven't heard of a big glut of accidents lately, at least outside of CR. Based on my own experience driving 380, I can't help but wonder if some people's definition of "safety and traffic flow" is based around going 90 the entire trip.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Des Moines Metro
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Based on my own experience driving 380, I can't help but wonder if some people's definition of "safety and traffic flow" is based around going 90 the entire trip.
This is soo true, people go way over the speed limit on that road to flow with traffic, it feels *slow* when you're going 65-70!!! 85-90 is normal! haha!
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