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Old 10-10-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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^why would Des Moines be a source for the criminal element? I understand the reason for crossing state lines due to states offering different welfare related benefits, but what would the motivation be for going from DM to QC? Just curious.
Lol, indirectly implying that Des Moines criminals are too big-time and important to affiliate with the Quad Cities. You are a strange guy.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:42 PM
 
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^why would Des Moines be a source for the criminal element? I understand the reason for crossing state lines due to states offering different welfare related benefits, but what would the motivation be for going from DM to QC? Just curious.
If a criminal were in DM, they might seen QC as an untouched drug market are something like that.

And even more so, who is to say that every Black person from Chicago arriving in Iowa is there for welfare benefits?
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Lol, indirectly implying that Des Moines criminals are too big-time and important to affiliate with the Quad Cities. You are a strange guy.
Exihibit #299 demonstrating continued inabilty to comprehend the true context of peoples' posts on this forum.

Seriously, take some time and work on your self esteem issues as it is not pretty having your personal limitations on display on a continously basis out here.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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If a criminal were in DM, they might seen QC as an untouched drug market are something like that.

And even more so, who is to say that every Black person from Chicago arriving in Iowa is there for welfare benefits?
Makes sense.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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It makes Iowa Citians extremely uncomfortable to say so -- nobody wants to be racist, there's a serious unfamiliarity with living with these issues, and the fact is this messed-up Chicago mentality about race lives here -- but criminal after criminal in the police blotter: black. The exceptions are mostly college kids drinking underage or holding disorderly parties.

Who's hurt worst by it? Probably the black Africans here to study or as refugees, because so many locals can't tell the difference between Sudanese and still-lives-half-in-Joliet.
This hits the nail on the head as far as why Iowa City has such a hard time dealing with its current situation. It's not people trying to be outwardly racist - it's just that it's so "in your face" as far as these problems creeping up. I was born in Iowa City in the late 70's and lived there until 2001. There was very little crime back then, and if someone was murdered in any given year it was HUGE news. Now I go back and I talk to my black friends in IC who have been there forever and hear how frustrated they are watching the news and seeing these crime reports that look like a broken record. Regardless of what people say, there might have been crime in IC, but it wasn't this random violent/drug crime.

The issue is it's not a random sample of the overall black community in the USA that's moving to Iowa City. It's heavily (obviously not ALL - don't jump on me for saying that) made up of inner-city impoverished black people coming from violent neighborhoods in Chicago. That puts a huge spin on the whole "racist" part of the issue, because while many many people like my parents are very open minded (Iowa City IS overall a pretty open minded place) and aren't jumping to be racist, the fact is many of the people moving to the southeast side of town are coming with a very skewed sense of reality and certainly aren't meshing in with the Iowa City culture. My roommate taught on the west side of Chicago at a 100% black and 100% below poverty school. She now teaches in Iowa City and every years sees dozens of new students from Chicago Public Schools move in and it gives her chills because she knows the system they came from - and how broken the schools were, the kids were and their family lives were.

My mom taught in IC for over 30 years and retired a few years ago, still substitutes a few times a week. She's soft spoken and tries not to sound like she's being judgemental, but she said the schools have REALLY changed in the past 10 years or so. She's absolutely shocked when she goes to some and sees the low levels of education that many people are coming into town with, people already in 4th, 5th, 8th, 10the grades. You can't just snap your fingers and fix all the disrespect kids have towards education and authority when it's all they've ever seen in their lives. A huge clash of cultures.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Exihibit #299 demonstrating continued inabilty to comprehend the true context of peoples' posts on this forum.

Seriously, take some time and work on your self esteem issues as it is not pretty having your personal limitations on display on a continously basis out here.
That's exactly how it reads. If you want to get Freudian, which is expected here. You realized it was dumb what you said, and now try to turn it on me. Something you've been doing for years.

Your fascination with Des Moines has hit such a level that even Des Moines crime should only stay in Des Moines, or other major cities. QC is too small for the DSM hoodlums.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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That's exactly how it reads. If you want to get Freudian, which is expected here. You realized it was dumb what you said, and now try to turn it on me. Something you've been doing for years.

Your fascination with Des Moines has hit such a level that even Des Moines crime should only stay in Des Moines, or other major cities. QC is too small for the DSM hoodlums.

This sums up 80% of your comments on this forum:

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Those with low self esteem unwittingly make up stories in their minds about the behavior, motivation, and intent of others—what others are thinking, what others are feeling, what is really meant by the behavior of others, what is really meant by the words of others, without first checking out their perceptions.
</H2>cognitive symptoms of low self esteem / rigidity / lack of self confidence/ faulty self image / negative self statements / The Self-Esteem Institute

I don't say this just to be mean, I say it in an effort to help you realize you need to seek help. I'm far from the only one who has pointed this out to you in one way or another.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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This hits the nail on the head as far as why Iowa City has such a hard time dealing with its current situation. It's not people trying to be outwardly racist - it's just that it's so "in your face" as far as these problems creeping up. I was born in Iowa City in the late 70's and lived there until 2001. There was very little crime back then, and if someone was murdered in any given year it was HUGE news. Now I go back and I talk to my black friends in IC who have been there forever and hear how frustrated they are watching the news and seeing these crime reports that look like a broken record. Regardless of what people say, there might have been crime in IC, but it wasn't this random violent/drug crime.

The issue is it's not a random sample of the overall black community in the USA that's moving to Iowa City. It's heavily (obviously not ALL - don't jump on me for saying that) made up of inner-city impoverished black people coming from violent neighborhoods in Chicago. That puts a huge spin on the whole "racist" part of the issue, because while many many people like my parents are very open minded (Iowa City IS overall a pretty open minded place) and aren't jumping to be racist, the fact is many of the people moving to the southeast side of town are coming with a very skewed sense of reality and certainly aren't meshing in with the Iowa City culture. My roommate taught on the west side of Chicago at a 100% black and 100% below poverty school. She now teaches in Iowa City and every years sees dozens of new students from Chicago Public Schools move in and it gives her chills because she knows the system they came from - and how broken the schools were, the kids were and their family lives were.

My mom taught in IC for over 30 years and retired a few years ago, still substitutes a few times a week. She's soft spoken and tries not to sound like she's being judgemental, but she said the schools have REALLY changed in the past 10 years or so. She's absolutely shocked when she goes to some and sees the low levels of education that many people are coming into town with, people already in 4th, 5th, 8th, 10the grades. You can't just snap your fingers and fix all the disrespect kids have towards education and authority when it's all they've ever seen in their lives. A huge clash of cultures.

Well some of IC is racist, and if someone wanted to post transcripts from the redistricting forums, emails to school board members, or years of commentary from the P-C before they changed their commenting system...it would show this.

I'm curious what YOUR actual experience is with the SE side of IC, rather than just what you have heard from a couple of people. A couple of incidents a few years ago, and a hyperfocus in news coverage(if you can call it that) a few years ago, really doesn't give one a true view of what is going on. The same problems that people might complain about on the SE side go on in NL and Coralville.

I'm a parent of kids that attended a higher minority school. I have a different perspective on the schools. I didn't like NCLB, but it did put a focus on the fact that the school district just wanted to sweep a lot of issues under the rug, including poorly run schools, and abysmal curriculum in the early grades. If you are a university parent you certainly have the resources to supplement the curriculum the school provides...which many do to the point they might as well homeschool. I never dreamed that my kids were attending a school in what many believe is a great district, and I'd have to almost homeschool one of my kids myself because the curriculum was that deficient.

As far as broken homes...these exist in IC across all demographics. Some of the most disruptive kids I've met come from a totally different demographic...intact homes where the parents think their kids are just a little more special. This is especially true with involvement in sports.

Not every non Iowa native black family that is here is from a broken home, are all from the inner city or have attended the CPS system.

As for your friend that teaches, the ICCSD might be a great district overall on paper....that doesn't mean there aren't areas where the system hasn't worked.
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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This sums up 80% of your comments on this forum:

</H2>cognitive symptoms of low self esteem / rigidity / lack of self confidence/ faulty self image / negative self statements / The Self-Esteem Institute

I don't say this just to be mean, I say it in an effort to help you realize you need to seek help. I'm far from the only one who has pointed this out to you in one way or another.
I believe I coined the term "The Narnian Flip" years ago. It's still accurate.

This occurs when Narnians (those with unrealistic viewpoints of their respective cities like yourself) get so mad, they try to paint the person who made a good point exclusively as having some sort of mental problem for doing so. It's nothing new.

A criminal going anywhere he is less-known is probably to his advantage, especially if he's been living that lifestyle for a long time.

To answer your very dumb question, about half the QC is in Illinois and half in Iowa. No mention of Chicago, which is the basis of the original topic. You bring up why a DSM crook would step foot in QC (must be too small for crime there) using the point that part of the QC is in Iowa, so they wouldn't receive different welfare benefits. Just a very odd point, but knowing your agenda, it was a way to declare the superiority of Des Moines to the QC.

Des Moines hoodlums probably only deal with the Colombian cartels, Miami, NY & LA syndicates, the Chicago Outfit, or the Red Mafia. Everywhere else is too small-time.

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Old 10-11-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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I'm curious what YOUR actual experience is with the SE side of IC, rather than just what you have heard from a couple of people. A couple of incidents a few years ago, and a hyperfocus in news coverage(if you can call it that) a few years ago, really doesn't give one a true view of what is going on. The same problems that people might complain about on the SE side go on in NL and Coralville.

As for your friend that teaches, the ICCSD might be a great district overall on paper....that doesn't mean there aren't areas where the system hasn't worked.
My best friend lives off Sycamore south of hwy 6 in Iowa City and has taught at Wood for the past 5 years. I stay with her often and we've chatted about the area. I think it's stabilized and gotten better since a lot of the stuff went down in the spring of 2011. My mom taught at Roosevelt for 15 years up until around 2009 and saw big changes in the school. Family moved to the city 65 years ago and was based most of that time in Coralville north of Central school (my school). That area is probably one that you're talking about when you mention Coralville. That area and the area up behind Hy-Vee and east of the mall south of the interstate.

I still love the area and go back to Iowa City every two months or so. I talked to my friends and family that have been in the area for decades. They still love the city and aren't overly concerned or making harsh judgements, but it's a very interesting topic to discuss. Especially since I've been in Chicago for the past 11 years and have dealt with a lot on the west/south sides where many people have fled the city, and my best friend/old roommate who taught on the west side for 5 years before moving back to Iowa City to continue her teaching at Wood where a lot of these transplants went. She actually knew a few of the students who moved, which is CRAZY since Chicago's district has almost 500,000 students!

I wasn't saying the district is great on paper, more just how much it's changed since I went there starting 28 years ago. There are so many more issues to deal with than there were back in the mid 1980's as far as the students home life. The county has grown from 80,000 back 30 years ago to 135,000 now.
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