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Originally Posted by sanspeur
TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian court sentenced the founder of one of the first Farsi-language blogs, credited with sparking the boom in Iranian reform bloggers, to more than 19 years in prison for his writings, a news web site reported Tuesday.
Unbelievable...19 years in prison for words on a blog.
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If it had been the Shah, the man would have been beaten and tortured by the CIA and DGSE-trained SAVAK and then executed.
If he had tried to nationalize the oil resources, the US would have attempted to murder him.
So what's your point?
You have none.
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Originally Posted by Sgoldie
This is an example of breaking sharia law. No one is allowed to offend islam or it's imams or insult the religion.
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Wow, how ignorant you are of your own past.
Um, the last Inquisition was in 1810, just 200 years ago.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
You do know that Iran is a theocracy don't you? Islam is the politics in Iran.
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Yes, and that means NUNYA.
Nunya damn business. It's their country and they can choose whatever form of government they want, and you have nothing to say about it.
And spare us your platitudes on revolution.
When 50.1% of the people accept a government, then the majority of people have given their consent that the government is legitimate, even if it is 3 prawns and a dancing dog.
That's called democracy. Look into it.
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Originally Posted by geofra
Iran disallows freedom of speech.
Iran is Muslim.
Therefore, Islam disallows freedom of speech.
North Korea disallows freedom of speech.
It's proven above that Islam disallows freedom of speech.
Therefore, North Korea is Muslim.
That is as illogical as your arguments in this thread.
The suppression of speech is a political power move against the ruling regime's opposition, who happen to be Muslim, themselves.
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There's an excellent analysis. You could learn something here, but why would you want to?
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Logic has nothing to do with this issue of Islam . . . ignorance does. It is a DEEN . . . look up this arabic word and lose your ignorance. Islam is completely political . . . it covers ALL aspects of life ...
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That's hysterical. Judaism and christianity also "cover ALL aspects of life."
You're told what you can eat, and what you can't. When you can touch your wife and have conjugal relations and when you can't (like when she's menstruating or in the time after child-birth), and all other facets of life are also regulated.
So what's you're point? You have none. And even if you did, it ain't nunya business.
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Originally Posted by ditchlights
That's what Iranian laws have to do with Islam. Religion and politics come in one big package in those countries. Ahmadenejad is not in charge. The Ayatollah is.
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Wow. I was beginning to think I was the only one out of the all the thousands of members on this forum who knows how Iran's government is organized.
In relation to the US structure of government, Ahmadinejad would be equivalent to the Speaker of the House.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
There is NO SEPARATION of the secular from religion in Islam.
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Turkey anyone?
There are many Muslim countries that are secular. The fact that you're not aware of them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
But Islam is completely INTOLERANT of ANY other religion or government.
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So is christianity and if christians had power, they would be converting by the gun, but they no longer have that power.
You obviously can't comprehend that Islam is about 500 years behind christianity in development, and you are totally ignorant of the fact that the majority of Islamic countries are still sociologically tribal societies.
There is no possible way to compare Muslim countries with western democracies, since two or more things that are similar are compare, while two or more things that are different are contrasted.
Europe abandoned tribal society about 400 years ago. You might want to study the Treaty of Westphalia so you don't continue to embarrass yourself.
I would also point out that not only your failure, but the failure of your government to understand that countries like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan (to name but a few) is the reason why you will ultimately be defeated.
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
Ok... except for the fact that only eight of 48 countries with majority Muslim populations govern solely based upon Sharia or Islamic law.
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There's another very important consideration and that is the economy.
You'll notice that 16 of those countries are very democratic, but that they also have no single cash-crop (they have a diversified economy).
Those countries that have a single cash-crop, like oil, or chocolate/coffee/sugar cane are very totalitarian in nature.
Also notice that the democratic Muslim countries get only token support or no support at all from the US, while the totalitarian Muslim countries get $Billions in foreign and and other benefits and a tremendous amount of political support.
Like in Tunisia, the only freedom you have is the freedom to shut up.
In Jordan, where 1/6th if the GDP is US foreign aid, King Abdullah II abolished the parliament (very democratic indeed).
In Saudi Arabia where the government shuts down TV stations, radio stations, newspapers, internet sites and printing presses, the only place where you can openly criticize the government is in a mosque, so sure Islam becomes politicized.
From their point of view, it is the US that is propping up the Saudi government so sure, attacking the US is legitimate since forcing the US to withdraw support for the Saudi government weakens it.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
Thou shalt not criticize Islam, Mohammad or Allah ...If you do that makes you intolerant in the eyes of a Muslim, and Muslims always take that personally....This indicates a clear lack of free speech, does it not?
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No, it does not. Even in the US your constitutional right to free speech only protects against action from the government.
In the workplace and elsewhere, you have no free speech.
Criticize Jesus in the workplace and if you get fired, you have no recourse, because it is not protected speech.
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Originally Posted by Gplex
When I say you're barbaric because you support wife beaters (which is true)
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Well, again it was only a few hundred years ago when you were doing the exact same thing, and now you want to act like you're morally superior simply because your society was already 500 years ahead of Islam.
The last public execution under Sharia Law was in 1878.
The Muslim man was executed for beating a slave. That was in Albania or Bosnia.
How many Americans were executed, or even punished for beating a slave?
Upon receiving evidence that slaves were being mistreated in two cities, a Persian king sent an army to both cities, freed the slaves and slaughtered all of the inhabitants.
I guess if you were one of those slaves you'd be whining and crying about Sharia Law.
The difference between Romania under the Ottoman Empire and Romania under Holy Roman Empire was that under the Ottoman Empire, the Muslims didn't force them to convert, and didn't murder them.
You can't say that about the Holy Roman Empire who tried to force Romanians to convert to catholicism and slaughtered and enslaved them.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in Islam, period!
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Well of course there is. When I was in Turkey there were any problems and when I was in Egypt training the military in RACO there were any problems.
It's too bad you don't apply your criticism to christian leaders who make bone-headed comments. Of course they often lose their jobs or positions, so then they don't really have free speech either, do they? Nope.
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Originally Posted by Jazzymom
My prayer is that somehow Islam will become a peaceful religion like muslims keep saying it is or it will cease to exist...
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Well then instead of praying, why don't you put political leaders in Washington who will stay the hell out of Muslim countries and stop interfering.
That's the
fastest way to allow those societies to develop and eventually your prayer will be answered, not by any god, but by common sense.