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Old 02-28-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Well,Today I’m going to discuss about Honor Killing.

There are hundred of websites,which blames Honor Killling is Islamic…
Many of the countries most notorious for honour killing are Arab or Muslim countries; Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan and Palestine. This feeds a general impression that honour killing is somehow related to Islam, which feeds into a general xenophobia against Muslims; and the phenomenon is used by racists and xenophobes as yet another stick with which to beat Muslims, attempting to characterize these murders as a ‘pious act’, approved by Islam.


Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification.

Allah, Most High, says,
“Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments.
Muslims kill there females for there honor and to confirm the facts they show us few crimes done by Muslims.
and I’m not afraid to say they are mostly Christians and Hindus(not all but few).

but Let;s Chk the other facts….


In India, for example, many such murders are committed by Hindus and Sikhs. For some Hindus, an honour killing may be motivated by a woman marrying across caste boundaries. In 2003, a young couple who fell in love at University and contracted a secret marriage. Her family disapproved of the match due to his low status in the caste system. They were both forced to drink poison with scores of witnesses to their agonising deaths.

Most cases in India occur in Punjab and Haryana (in which two provinces one out of every ten murders is an honour killing) and parts of western Uttar Pradesh. Many of these murders are ordered by an informal judicial system of caste panchayat, which is a self-proclaimed body consisting of village elders, from which women are excluded. Mangal Singh, a Sikh interviewed in Amritsar, claimed that the 17 women and children killed within his family were willing ‘martyrs’ in the name of family pride.



Honour killing also happens in Christian communities in the Mediterranean and other regions. The culture of Ancient Rome allowed the father to kill his children if he deemed necessary. Honour killing was only abolished as a specific category in Italy in 1981, and murders in the name of honour still occur in the country. In 2006, Bruna Morito was shot six times in the face by her brother for bearing a child outside marriage. In Brazil, men could be acquitted for murdering their wives up until 1991, and there have been 800 recorded such murders in a single year. Even in 1991, a lower court ignored the ruling of the Supreme Court and acquitted Joao Lopes for the double homicide of his wife and her lover. In fact, the opposition of the woman as the vessel of familial honour and the man as its protector was widespread throughout the southern European region, although it is not clear how many murders are committed in the name of honour at the present time.


Even within the Middle East, honour killing is not restricted to Muslims. In Yemen, a Jewish father killed his daughter after a rebuke from the rabbi for her extra-marital pregnancy, and in Palestine, in 2005, Faten Habash was beaten to death with an iron bar, wielded by her Christian father because she wanted to marry her Muslim boyfriend.


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Old 02-28-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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You can't separate middle-eastern culture from middle-eastern religion because the countries are tried-and-true theocracies in the strictest sense. Just because they got the idea from earlier cultures doesn't make it right, and it's still condoned by the powers that be in most Islamic countries.

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Old 02-28-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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“Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)


another veres from the quran saying one shall roast in hell for eternity


it says "whoso slay a believer of set purpose", so what about the non believer??? is it ok to kill one of them..i guess the committer of that would just get a slap on the hand

and what does it mean of set purpose???

i tend not to follow scriptures that say i will roast in hell for what ever the reason..
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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How do extreme Muslim followers and I suppose, the general Muslim public, accept this kind of action? You say because of 'ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments' but isn't the religion and the culture so intertwined that it is almost impossible to separate one from the other? I understand that Islam is a religion of peace so it seems to me that it has always been lead by selfish and evil men if what you have now is not the pure form of what it is supposed to be. In other words, the leaders of this religion seem to have corrupted what was meant to be a good religion. How do you see it?
And as far as the honor killings, yes, you are right, they don't just happen in the Middle East.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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Its very difficult to separate out the Arab (and North African) tribal customs that mandate Honor Killing from Islam due to the close inter-relations between the two. Many aspect of the practice of Islam (as opposed to the theory) come from Arab tribal rituals and beliefs that predate Islam's founding. In Christianity, the religion is adhered to by a very wide swath of cultures, so its easy to see the difference. In Judaism, there is really no difference between tribe and faith. However, Islam has a much more ambiguous situation, especially with a lack of central religious authority.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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hi everybody,

killing is forbidden in Islam to muslim and non -muslim

This is a crime punished by the law of Sharia

tnanks
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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How do extreme Muslim followers and I suppose, the general Muslim public, accept this kind of action? You say because of 'ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments' but isn't the religion and the culture so intertwined that it is almost impossible to separate one from the other? I understand that Islam is a religion of peace so it seems to me that it has always been lead by selfish and evil men if what you have now is not the pure form of what it is supposed to be. In other words, the leaders of this religion seem to have corrupted what was meant to be a good religion. How do you see it?
And as far as the honor killings, yes, you are right, they don't just happen in the Middle East.


the general muslim public reject and deny this kind of action
it Rejected in Islam and society



thanks
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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Your post about honor killing was very informative.

I did a web search on "honor killing Quran" and found a website that seemed, in my opinion, to be critical of Islam. The only quotes they gave from the Quran that might support honor killing are the ones below.

Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”

Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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Honor killings are not just in the Koran, they are also in the Bible;

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Due to the fact the Bible and the Koran come from the Middle East it is fair to surmise these customs are regional religious teachings.

There are many many similarities between Biblical teaching and Islam.
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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Well,Today I’m going to discuss about Honor Killing.

Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification.


Honor Killing is not in ISLAM « ISLAM—World’s Greatest Religion!
Good job. Sadly, it is extremely difficult to seperate the Islamic religion from cultural violence. Over a billion Muslims, but the horror stories of barbaric killings as portayed by media, is what most people will think of when they think of Islam. In America, a supposed Christian nation, all the murders, rapes, robberies, fighting, violence, etc, is not associated with "Christian". How fair is that?

Be well...
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