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Old 09-30-2011, 07:13 PM
 
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There may be a side to this story that the Media has "forgotten" to mention.

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Iranian pastor faces death for rape, not apostasy - report



Washington (CNN) -- Christian Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani will be put to death for several charges of rape and extortion, charges that differ greatly from his original sentence of apostasy, Iran's semi-official Fars News agency reported Friday.


Gholomali Rezvani, the deputy governor of Gilan province, where Nadarkhani was tried and convicted, accused Western media of twisting the real story, referring to him as a "rapist." A previous report from the news agency claimed he had committed several violent crimes, including repeated rape and extortion.


"His crime is not, as some claim, converting others to Christianity," Rezvani told Fars. "He is guilty of security-related crimes."
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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That changes everything.
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:02 PM
 
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No. A "security related crime" in Iran is generally considered to be anti-regime activity. Rape is not considered a security related crime.

The Iranian justice system regularly assigns guards to rape female prisoners before death sentences are carried out, so as not to violate Koranic prohibitions against killing virgins.

This is well documented.
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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No. A "security related crime" in Iran is generally considered to be anti-regime activity. Rape is not considered a security related crime.

The Iranian justice system regularly assigns guards to rape female prisoners before death sentences are carried out, so as not to violate Koranic prohibitions against killing virgins.

This is well documented.
What strikes me as odd is this is going against Iran policy since at least 1990. Even the Army colonel who apostatized while serving in the military was not treated as harsh.

It seems that there is more to this than apostasy.
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Old 10-01-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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""There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path".
The Holy Quran -Al-Baqarah -256 .
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Old 10-01-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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No. A "security related crime" in Iran is generally considered to be anti-regime activity. Rape is not considered a security related crime.

The Iranian justice system regularly assigns guards to rape female prisoners before death sentences are carried out, so as not to violate Koranic prohibitions against killing virgins.
So that's their moral boundary.
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Old 10-01-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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""There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path".
The Holy Quran -Al-Baqarah -256 .
There is all kinds of compulsion in religion.
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Old 10-01-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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There is all kinds of compulsion in religion.
In Islam there are 5 things compulsory for all Muslims. These are the Pillars of Faith, which are:

Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;

Establishment of the daily prayers;

Concern for and alms giving to the needy;

Self-purification through fasting;

The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

Failure to do any of these is considered reason to doubt a person is not a Muslim. However, since we do not know what is in a person's heart or his intentions we can not say the person is not a Muslim. that is known only to Allaah(swt).

Those 5 pillars apply only to Muslims. We are forbidden to compel any person to accept Islam. Besides it is an impossibility as the only way a person can become a Muslim is to say the Shahada with full sincerity, with knowledge and of their own free will.
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Old 10-01-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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In Islam there are 5 things compulsory for all Muslims. These are the Pillars of Faith, which are:

Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;

Establishment of the daily prayers;

Concern for and alms giving to the needy;

Self-purification through fasting;

The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

Failure to do any of these is considered reason to doubt a person is not a Muslim. However, since we do not know what is in a person's heart or his intentions we can not say the person is not a Muslim. that is known only to Allaah(swt).

Those 5 pillars apply only to Muslims. We are forbidden to compel any person to accept Islam. Besides it is an impossibility as the only way a person can become a Muslim is to say the Shahada with full sincerity, with knowledge and of their own free will.
Tidy enough, I guess.

What happens to Muslim women who refuse to wear the hijab?
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Old 10-01-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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Tidy enough, I guess.

What happens to Muslim women who refuse to wear the hijab?
That is strictly between them and Allaah(swt) it is not in our power to know why a woman does not wear it and no where does the Qur'an or Ahadith give any man the right to force a woman to wear it. We can tell them it is desired for them to wear it, but the choice has to be her own. If a woman refuses to wear it without just cause and doing so to defy Allaa(swt) she is committing a sin. She alone will have to face Allaah(swt) and explain her reasons, any punishment will be the decision of Allaah(swt) alone.

Here you will find differences of the different Fiqhs of shariah. I just gave my view which is the Hanafi Madhab. However, both the Hanabli Madhab (Saudi) and the Jifa'ari Madhab (Iran) contend a woman can be forced to wear it.
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