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Old 10-30-2014, 03:41 PM
 
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Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them.

but when did the science discovered that ? in the current era

but this world is created by Allah and mentioned that in the Holy Quran more than 400 years ago

and this is another amazing miraculous verse in The Holy Quran
He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter.
And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (The Holy Quran, 25:53)





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Old 10-30-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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and you are calling salt and fresh water a miracle.
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Old 11-01-2014, 11:47 AM
 
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This verse advises men to beat their wives if they don't obey them:

Qur'an 4:34

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
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Old 11-01-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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Sura 5:33

orders the cutting off of the hands and feet of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
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Old 11-27-2019, 01:04 AM
 
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Similarly, Achmed and Jamal were sitting at a table at an outdoor café in Damascus. Achmed pulls out his wallet, and removes a photo. Holding it up, he asks Jamal if he had ever seen a picture of his son, Rasheed. He explained that Rasheed was now sitting at the feet of the Prophet, having become a martyr in the struggle against the Zionists, by wrapping himself in an explosive vest and detonating it in a crowd of civilians.

Achmed then holds up a second photo of another son, Khaleed, who is also at the foot of the Prophet, having exploded a backpack full of TNT near a Zionist hospital. A third photo displayed his son Mohammed, whose car, full of TNT, exploded at a checkpoint in Jeruselum, killing dozens of schoolchildren - Achmed was obviously quite proud of them all becoming martyrs and collecting their cache of virgins.

Jamal simply shakes his head, and says: Kids....they blow up so fast, don't they?
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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i like the verse that talks about becoming a terrorist..
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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On The Necessity of Rejecting Allah, Mohammad, & The Qur'an
Followers of Mohammad say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion, that Mohammad is the final prophet of God, and that the Qur'an is a sacred text given by God with perfect truth. None of that is true. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham and nothing to do with God. Mohammad is not a prophet of God. And the Qur'an contradicts God's teachings. The Qur'an is a book of lies and insanity that promotes a false gospel that contradicts the truth of God and his purpose for mankind.
First, recall a little genealogy. It is true that Abraham was the father of Ishmael, who Hagar bore him before the birth of Isaac. So in human terms, Ishmael was the firstborn. But God determined that Abraham's descendants were to be counted through Isaac, not Ishmael.
And it is also true in human terms that Esau, Jacob's twin brother, was born moments before Jacob, and should have enjoyed the right of the firstborn. But Esau sold that right for a bowl of lentils. God honored Jacob, whose name became Israel, as the one through whom the descendancy of Abraham was to be counted.
So even though Esau married a daughter of Ishmael, so that Arab followers of Mohammad trace their lineage back to them, the line is meaningless to God, who recognized Jacob and his descendants as the ones to whom the promise was made regarding perpetual right of ownership of the Holy Land. God's view of what matters should be our measure of what matters, as God's purpose will prevail.
Moreover, the teachings of Mohammad are so against those of God, so disgusting, so repulsive, and so insane, that Abraham would never acknowledge them as even vaguely resembling those of the God in which Abraham had full faith. Abraham was a man of faith and a prophet, but also a warrior who on occasion struck down multitudes. He would never have tolerated someone as barbaric and ungodly as Mohammad.
Regarding Jesus Christ, followers of Mohammad claim falsely to respect and love him as a prophet. They do not. The Qur'an contradicts Christ in everything. The Qur'an presents a false gospel that clearly demonstrates utter disrespect and rejection of Christ and his teaching, not love or respect.
For example, the Qur'an teaches that God has no son, while both the Old Testament and the New Testament show God has sons. Christ also said he is God's Son. But Mohammad said that he is not. Mohammad taught that those who say God has a son should be cursed. But Jesus also said that God has sons. Mohammad, therefore, as well as all who repeat his false teaching, say that Jesus should be cursed, as Jesus said he is God's Son. Calling for someone to be cursed is not a sign of loving them.
The Qur'an also contradicts the gospel of Christ in other important aspects. Jesus Christ was sent by the Father to preach salvation through God's arrangement of grace through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who was crucified for sins, and who resurrected from the dead as the firstborn from the dead. But Mohammad's false gospel, found in the Qur'an, teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross, and so did not die for sins of the world, and did not resurrect. The Qur'an calls Jesus a liar and a charlatan. The Qur'an denies the true gospel. It is a false gospel. (Galatians 1:8, 9)
In addition to rejecting the teachings and ministry of Christ, calling him a liar, followers of Mohammad murder and persecute Christians, and burn churches. Various sources acknowledge an ongoing genocide of Christians throughout the Middle East and parts of Africa. The Qur'an calls for its followers to persecute, terrorize, fight, crucify, behead, mutilate, enslave, rape, and in other ways murder or abuse Christians and others who reject the insane barbarism of Mohammad, and the faithful followers oblige.
Mohammad is not a prophet of God. If he is anyone's prophet, he is the devil's. Nothing from Mohammad is good, godly, or worthy of respect. Most of the practices promoted by Mohammad correspond to laws that criminalize them.
There is no excuse for anyone called a Christian who becomes involved in any way with worship of the demon god called Allah, who has no son, who is not the Father of Jesus Christ, and whose Qur'an is a false gospel in contradiction of God. There is really no excuse for anyone at all to approve, condone, or in any way support the fascistic barbarism of Mohammad.
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Old 11-28-2019, 03:18 PM
 
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Followers of Mohammad say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion, that Mohammad is the final prophet of God, and that the Qur'an is a sacred text given by God with perfect truth. None of that is true.
Correction:

[16.123] Then We revealed to you: Follow the creed/tradition of Abraham, the upright one, and he was not of the polytheists.

[33.40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

[26.192] And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.


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Islam has nothing to do with Abraham and nothing to do with God.
Your word against mine.
Islam is ordained by God, is creed of Abraham (monotheism) and is about submitting/about obeying God only.

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Mohammad is not a prophet of God. And the Qur'an contradicts God's teachings.
Muhammad IS prophet and the Qur’an is the teaching/guidance of God.

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The Qur'an is a book of lies and insanity that promotes a false gospel that contradicts the truth of God and his purpose for mankind.
The purpose of creation of mankind is revealed in the Qur’an. You don’t even know the purpose of creation of mankind.

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First, recall a little genealogy. It is true that Abraham was the father of Ishmael, who Hagar bore him before the birth of Isaac. So in human terms, Ishmael was the firstborn.
Correct!

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But God determined that Abraham's descendants were to be counted through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Incorrect!

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And it is also true in human terms that Esau, Jacob's twin brother, was born moments before Jacob, and should have enjoyed the right of the firstborn. But Esau sold that right for a bowl of lentils. God honored Jacob, whose name became Israel, as the one through whom the descendancy of Abraham was to be counted.
No birthright can be changed or sold. Birthright of the first born is always with the first born. It is from God and can’t be changed. Anything stated in the documents written centuries later is a con-trick to deny the birthright of the first born.

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So even though Esau married a daughter of Ishmael, so that Arab followers of Mohammad trace their lineage back to them, the line is meaningless to God, who recognized Jacob and his descendants as the ones to whom the promise was made regarding perpetual right of ownership of the Holy Land.
Totally false!
The holy land was given to the descendants of Abraham not on the basis of lineage but on the basis of Abraham and his descendants obeying God.

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God's view of what matters should be our measure of what matters, as God's purpose will prevail.
God’s purpose has prevailed.

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Moreover, the teachings of Mohammad are so against those of God, so disgusting, so repulsive, and so insane, that Abraham would never acknowledge them as even vaguely resembling those of the God in which Abraham had full faith.
According to you but not according to I. And that’s why I am a Muslim and you are not.

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Abraham was a man of faith and a prophet, but also a warrior who on occasion struck down multitudes. He would never have tolerated someone as barbaric and ungodly as Mohammad.
You wouldn’t know until the Hereafter.

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Regarding Jesus Christ, followers of Mohammad claim falsely to respect and love him as a prophet. They do not.
Of course they do! They wouldn’t be Muslims if they did not.

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The Qur'an contradicts Christ in everything.
The Qur’an does not contradict Jesus in anything.

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The Qur'an presents a false gospel that clearly demonstrates utter disrespect and rejection of Christ and his teaching, not love or respect.
Wrong!

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For example, the Qur'an teaches that God has no son, while both the Old Testament and the New Testament show God has sons.
God has no biological or begotten son. The “sons” of God in the Bible are not begotten or biological sons of God. In the Bible, even Adam is son of God (Luke 3:38). Giants were sons of God (Genesis 6:4). Israel is son of God even first born (Exodus 4:22). With Jesus, how many sons?

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Christ also said he is God's Son.
How about son of David, son of Abraham in (Matthew 1:1)?
And how about Son of man (Matthew 8:20, Matthew 9:6, Matthew 11:19, Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:40, Mark 2:10, Mark 9:9, Luke 9:22)?

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But Mohammad said that he is not.
The Qur’an says Jesus was not begotten son of God.

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Mohammad taught that those who say God has a son should be cursed.
Where and when did he say so?

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But Jesus also said that God has sons.
So how many sons did God have?

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Mohammad, therefore, as well as all who repeat his false teaching, say that Jesus should be cursed, as Jesus said he is God's Son. Calling for someone to be cursed is not a sign of loving them.
We don’t curse Jesus. This is proof enough that Muhammad never said that Jesus should be cursed.

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The Qur'an also contradicts the gospel of Christ in other important aspects.
Gospel of Christ does not exist anymore. There are other gospels such as gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul but not the Gospel of Jesus.

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Jesus Christ was sent by the Father to preach salvation through God's arrangement of grace through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who was crucified for sins, and who resurrected from the dead as the firstborn from the dead.
Utter charade by the gospel writers. Lazarus was alleged to have resurrected even before the alleged crucifixion of Jesus.

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But Mohammad's false gospel, found in the Qur'an, teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross, and so did not die for sins of the world, and did not resurrect.
There is no proof that Jesus had actually died on the cross. There was no doctor there to confirm his death.

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The Qur'an calls Jesus a liar and a charlatan.
False claim against the Qur’an.

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The Qur'an denies the true gospel.
Which one is the true gospel? Paul’s?

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It is a false gospel. (Galatians 1:8, 9)
Paul rejects the true Gospel in favour of his own gospel.

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In addition to rejecting the teachings and ministry of Christ, calling him a liar, followers of Mohammad murder and persecute Christians, and burn churches.
Nonsense!
We are not to burn Churches in which God’s name is remembered. If anyone does, he is not the follower of Muhammad.

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Various sources acknowledge an ongoing genocide of Christians throughout the Middle East and parts of Africa.
Political sources? Islam hating sources? There are many churches in Pakistan.

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The Qur'an calls for its followers to persecute, terrorize, fight, crucify, behead, mutilate, enslave, rape, and in other ways murder or abuse Christians and others who reject the insane barbarism of Mohammad, and the faithful followers oblige.
No truth in that claim. Prove it by quoting verses of the Qur’an, if you are honest and truthful!

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Mohammad is not a prophet of God.
Not to you but to me he is.

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If he is anyone's prophet, he is the devil's.
Did the devil tell you that?

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Nothing from Mohammad is good, godly, or worthy of respect.
Is that the reason many Christians accepted Islam?

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There is no excuse for anyone called a Christian who becomes involved in any way with worship of the demon god called Allah, who has no son, who is not the Father of Jesus Christ, and whose Qur'an is a false gospel in contradiction of God.
Good advice to yourself but the others know better.

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There is really no excuse for anyone at all to approve, condone, or in any way support the fascistic barbarism of Mohammad.
I am glad I am a Muslim and not you.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:17 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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On The Necessity of Rejecting Allah, Mohammad, & The Qur'an
Followers of Mohammad say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion, that Mohammad is the final prophet of God, and that the Qur'an is a sacred text given by God with perfect truth. None of that is true. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham and nothing to do with God. Mohammad is not a prophet of God. And the Qur'an contradicts God's teachings. The Qur'an is a book of lies and insanity that promotes a false gospel that contradicts the truth of God and his purpose for mankind.
First, recall a little genealogy. It is true that Abraham was the father of Ishmael, who Hagar bore him before the birth of Isaac. So in human terms, Ishmael was the firstborn. But God determined that Abraham's descendants were to be counted through Isaac, not Ishmael.
And it is also true in human terms that Esau, Jacob's twin brother, was born moments before Jacob, and should have enjoyed the right of the firstborn. But Esau sold that right for a bowl of lentils. God honored Jacob, whose name became Israel, as the one through whom the descendancy of Abraham was to be counted.
So even though Esau married a daughter of Ishmael, so that Arab followers of Mohammad trace their lineage back to them, the line is meaningless to God, who recognized Jacob and his descendants as the ones to whom the promise was made regarding perpetual right of ownership of the Holy Land. God's view of what matters should be our measure of what matters, as God's purpose will prevail.
Moreover, the teachings of Mohammad are so against those of God, so disgusting, so repulsive, and so insane, that Abraham would never acknowledge them as even vaguely resembling those of the God in which Abraham had full faith. Abraham was a man of faith and a prophet, but also a warrior who on occasion struck down multitudes. He would never have tolerated someone as barbaric and ungodly as Mohammad.
Regarding Jesus Christ, followers of Mohammad claim falsely to respect and love him as a prophet. They do not. The Qur'an contradicts Christ in everything. The Qur'an presents a false gospel that clearly demonstrates utter disrespect and rejection of Christ and his teaching, not love or respect.
For example, the Qur'an teaches that God has no son, while both the Old Testament and the New Testament show God has sons. Christ also said he is God's Son. But Mohammad said that he is not. Mohammad taught that those who say God has a son should be cursed. But Jesus also said that God has sons. Mohammad, therefore, as well as all who repeat his false teaching, say that Jesus should be cursed, as Jesus said he is God's Son. Calling for someone to be cursed is not a sign of loving them.
The Qur'an also contradicts the gospel of Christ in other important aspects. Jesus Christ was sent by the Father to preach salvation through God's arrangement of grace through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who was crucified for sins, and who resurrected from the dead as the firstborn from the dead. But Mohammad's false gospel, found in the Qur'an, teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross, and so did not die for sins of the world, and did not resurrect. The Qur'an calls Jesus a liar and a charlatan. The Qur'an denies the true gospel. It is a false gospel. (Galatians 1:8, 9)
In addition to rejecting the teachings and ministry of Christ, calling him a liar, followers of Mohammad murder and persecute Christians, and burn churches. Various sources acknowledge an ongoing genocide of Christians throughout the Middle East and parts of Africa. The Qur'an calls for its followers to persecute, terrorize, fight, crucify, behead, mutilate, enslave, rape, and in other ways murder or abuse Christians and others who reject the insane barbarism of Mohammad, and the faithful followers oblige.
Mohammad is not a prophet of God. If he is anyone's prophet, he is the devil's. Nothing from Mohammad is good, godly, or worthy of respect. Most of the practices promoted by Mohammad correspond to laws that criminalize them.
There is no excuse for anyone called a Christian who becomes involved in any way with worship of the demon god called Allah, who has no son, who is not the Father of Jesus Christ, and whose Qur'an is a false gospel in contradiction of God. There is really no excuse for anyone at all to approve, condone, or in any way support the fascistic barbarism of Mohammad.
This post violates the Islam forum posting rules, where it states:
The is not the place to post derogatory remarks about Islam, the Qur'an, or any Muslim. This forum exists for discussion about Islam and for people to ask questions about Islam. Posts that generalize blame of Muslims for terrorism or violence, even in veiled terms, will earn the member an infraction that could be as severe as being banned, even on a first offense. This will be at the judgement of the moderators.
Thus, there is little choice but to close this thread. Too much work went into the reply to allow me in good conscience to delete it.

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