In the mind of Evil, ISIS. (language, verses, Sunni, worship)
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Every religion practices some variation of Shariah, but do not call it Shariah, they call it Church Doctrine.
I suspect what you are looking at are the Shariah criminal Laws of Saudi and Iran and believe that is all there is to Shariah.
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the Muslims do not practice "Church Doctrine". this is absurd. you're really reaching a lot here Woodrow
the Muslims do not practice "Church Doctrine". this is absurd. you're really reaching a lot here Woodrow
I did not say that, I said "Every religion practices some variation of Shariah, but do not call it Shariah, they call it Church Doctrine.
I suspect what you are looking at are the Shariah criminal Laws of Saudi and Iran and believe that is all there is to Shariah."
But since most of us do follow a Madhab of Sharia,that is some what the same as "Church doctrine" except failure to do so does not stop us from being Muslim. There is no excommunication in Islam as we do not join an organization. Islam is an action, not an organization or such
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How to Convert to Islam - The Testimony of Faith (Shahada)
Becoming a Muslim is a simple and easy process. All that a person has to do is to say a sentence called the Testimony of Faith (Shahada), which is pronounced as:
I testify “La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.”
These Arabic words mean, “There is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God.” Once a person says the Testimony of Faith (Shahada) with conviction and understanding its meaning, then he/she has become a Muslim.
Try to find a Church doctrine we follow. many perhaps most of us pray at home. Most Muslims have no religious training except what they learned from their mothers
Any person that has ever said the Shahadah at least one in their life of their own free will and with sincerity, is a Muslim.
For some Muslims that is the total extent of their practice of Islam. But, they are still Muslim and equal to every other Muslim
Our Tort, Divorce, Domestic Violence, Child Support and Protection laws are not overridden by religious "laws" Wood. There are significant restrictions that the state would not allow "consenting adults" to settle in a religious court.
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There are things that would not be allowed if they violated state law. Domestic violence is covered under criminal law not Civil, that is not an issue.
For the most part divorce, marriage and property owner ship contracts can be written so they comply with state law.
The Sharia civil laws are basically identical with the Jewish civil laws, the difference is an Islamic Council is the arbitrator instead of a Rabbi.
I do not think anyone is asking for permission to do anything that would violate state law.
I apologize for my mistyping, Wood . . . I meant to type Domestic Relations . . . NOT Domestic Violence . . . although a lot of those cases have that component. The simple truth is that Sharia law (even your more moderate version) would violate many of our laws on Constintutional equal protection grounds.
I heard some Imam say that ALL children are born Muslim. What does that mean?
It means we are all born with full submission to Allaah(swt) it is only the exposure to this life that leads us away. A Muslim is a person who submits fully to God --Allaah(swt)
Our natual state is Islam. The act of full submission to God(swt)
Islam is not an organization, it is the act of submitting to God. A Muslim is a person who performs the act of Islam,
Then by that logic anyone who professes another religion is not just an unbeliever, but an apostate from Islam.
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It is a misconception that we go around killing apostates. While apostacy is a crime, there is no earthly punishment for it unless it entails treason or the like.
contrary to the hate sites that think single ayyats in the Qur'an or hadith constitute a commandment
If that's the case why would it still be in the Koran? You may not have a few Muslim friends who don't interpret it as a "stand alone statement" but there are hundreds of million of Muslims who have and still are being told to memorize the Koran and not contextualize what is written because every single word is holy and should not be questioned.
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Most Muslims know that ayyats are not stand alone statements. General rule is to read a minimum of 9 ayyats if you can't read the full surat
Non-Muslims seem to love to believe a truncated part of 8:12 is a commandment.
If you read enough you may see that surah 8 consists of 4 different but rlated disdcourses and 8:1-15 is in reference to a specific time when the nation was at war. a state of war, sort of a pep talk as they had just lost a battle, were fixing to be attacked and were quite down hearted.
In other words there is no true Muslim nation or region since most Muslims are completely misinterpreting the Koran.
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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI
It means we are all born with full submission to Allaah(swt) it is only the exposure to this life that leads us away. A Muslim is a person who submits fully to God --Allaah(swt)
Our natual state is Islam. The act of full submission to God(swt)
Islam is not an organization, it is the act of submitting to God. A Muslim is a person who performs the act of Islam,
I'm starting to think that it's Woodrow and his small group who is misinterpreting the Quran and it's ISIS and the rest of the Muslim world that truly understand Islam.
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