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Old 10-29-2015, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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There are many wonderful Muslims but the problem is the religion because it asks the adherents to subdue the Infidel including possibly killing them in the worst case are forcing them to pay a tax because they aren't Muslim. Also most of the US Muslim support Sharia Law which basically seditious to our culture and way of life. In conclusion, islam has proven time and again to be a cancer...best to keep the cancer out of the body.

 
Old 10-29-2015, 02:57 AM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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No, it's a load of horse manure. Some yes, the majority not even.
Well, as the Koran says, nothing wrong with lying to non-believers as long as it advances Islam.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Well, as the Koran says, nothing wrong with lying to non-believers as long as it advances Islam.
show me the ayyat in the Qur'an where it says that.

This is another fallacy promoted and spread by anti-Islamic web sites. No where in the Qur'an is it encourged for a Muslim to lie, especially not to a non-Muslim.

In Islam the concept of sin is 5 levels of responsibility.

1. Fiqh--Something that we are obligated to do, there will be a punishment if we fail to do it

2. Sunnah--Not obligated for us to do, but will be blessings and rewards if we do it

3. Halal--No reards or punishments for doing or not doing

4, Makruh- discouraged to do. We will be rewarded and blessed if we refrain from doing

5. Haram--Forbidden to do, there will be punishments if we do it.

Telling a lie is haram except for 4 cases in which it is Makruh.

1. Telling a lie to a spouse for the purpose of keeping peace in the family. It has to be a very minor lie with no gain involved and not to cover up a sin. An example-- Your wife is a poor cook, she works all day trying to fix you your favorite meal and it comes out tasting horrible. She asks you if you like it and answer yes

2. telling a lie when it is necessary to save a life. Best example is in Albania when the Albanian Muslims Hid Jews from the Nazis and lied about there not being any Jews in albania

Albanians saved Jews from deportation in WWII | Europe | DW.COM | 27.12.2012

3.. In time of a physical war when it is necessary to deceive the enemy.

4. When telling a lie will prevent a war between nations

It should be noted, a lie is still a sin and is discouraged. but under those conditions and with no intent of personal gain, there will be no punishment. However, if the person can find the means of accomplishing them without a lie, they will be blessed and rewarded.



For More information on Lies see this Link

. The Seventeenth Greater Sin: Lying | Greater Sins Volume 2 | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org



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Old 10-29-2015, 05:15 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Just because you disagree with something doesn't make it treasonous. That's pure hyperbole.
It is absolutely nothing short of treason when European/Western elites create and allow the conditions for Muslims to demographically replace the native populations. This is especially so in light of the fact that Islam has been a longtime foe.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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There are many wonderful Muslims but the problem is the religion because it asks the adherents to subdue the Infidel including possibly killing them in the worst case are forcing them to pay a tax because they aren't Muslim. Also most of the US Muslim support Sharia Law which basically seditious to our culture and way of life. In conclusion, islam has proven time and again to be a cancer...best to keep the cancer out of the body.
If you ask Most American Muslims what Shariah laws we want recognised you will find it is the sharia civil laws that affect only Muslims. they are very similar to the Judaic laws that affect only Jews and are allowed in every State.

Actually it has become a Moot point as we have found all we need do is file our private matters in the court house as a corporate contract. This satisfies most of us in regards to the Sharia laws we want recognized. It is a bit of a nusience and an extra expense to handle them that way, but it does work.

Sharia laws is not one thing. there are many concepts of Sharia. Sunni only accept the 4 Sunni disciplines of Islamic Jurisprudence (Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i) as being Sharia. What the media usually portrays as Sharia is Wahhabi, which is not to be recognized by Sunni.

Also sharia is to never be forced upon non-Muslims. It is considered sacrilegious to force Sharia upon a Non-Muslim who will not treat it as a religious act of worship.

There are no Islamic nations that are under full sharia law. Many Muslim nations will use the Sharia civil laws for the Muslim population but none use the criminal laws. The Islamic Nations generally use Secular Criminal laws. One reason being, because it is almost impossible to prove guilt under sharia criminal law.

the 3 nations that use some degree of what they call Sharia Criminal law are Saudi, Iran and Pakistan. Saudi and Pakistan use Wahhabi and Iran uses Jafa'ari Neither of which are recognized under the Sunni Madhabs--nearly 90% of the world's Muslims are Sunni.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Sixteen pages in and not one person has given me any reason why I should be anything other than adamantly opposed to increased Islamic immigration in to our nation and culture.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:33 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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It is absolutely nothing short of treason when European/Western elites create and allow the conditions for Muslims to demographically replace the native populations. This is especially so in light of the fact that Islam has been a longtime foe.
European/Western elites did this to South America and killed off 75% of the native population. Or have you not noticed that S America has a large amount of Whites, for the most part Christian and speaks Spanish. Europe deserves Islam in so many ways for the past 1000 years of atrocities it did to the world.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:47 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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European/Western elites did this to South America and killed off 75% of the native population. Or have you not noticed that S America has a large amount of Whites, for the most part Christian and speaks Spanish. Europe deserves Islam in so many ways for the past 1000 years of atrocities it did to the world.
So you favor the genocide of Europeans as retribution for the past. I see no point, then, in having this discussion with you. At least you implicitly admit that Islam is no friendly force. Since I am no traitor to my people, it follows that I completely oppose Islam.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:55 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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So you favor the genocide of Europeans as retribution for the past. I see no point, then, in having this discussion with you. At least you implicitly admit that Islam is no friendly force. Since I am no traitor to my people, it follows that I completely oppose Islam.
I don't favor genocide. I favor payback. Islam is not the problem. The Imams who mistranslate it for their own agenda is.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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Saw this recently and thought it was pretty good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQjyRc7eiY
I wonder who paid these actors.

Muslim Mayflower descendants.

Yeah, right.

Maybe being Muslim is the new way to be "hip."

I guess I'll be a Muslim, too.

Why not?

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