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Originally Posted by Khalif
You had mentioned Muslims' deeds recorded in Sijjin. Go back and read your statement in your post.
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I don't get your point. If you are serious on this, show me your justifications.
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It seems as if you are confused in looking for a term for something in your mind. Are you looking for a term for 'submitting'?
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Nah, not submitting.
Here is some points re "Muslimness"
The quality or fact of being Muslim.
Muslimness - definition of Muslimness in English from the Oxford dictionary
The meaning of the suffix "ness"
a native English suffix attached to adjectives and participles, forming abstract nouns denoting
quality and
state (and often, by extension, something exemplifying a quality or state):
-ness | Define -ness at Dictionary.com
Thus "Muslimness" would refer to the quality of being a Muslim.
A quality of being Muslim_ness can only be decided by Allah.
What is expected and decided of Allah is with reference to the Quran and no where else.
Therefore the degree of a Muslim compliance with the terms and conditions within the 6,236 verses will determine the Muslim_ness of a Muslim.
Get it? or you still do not get what I have intended to convey?
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It means equivalent justice to stop the same violence in future. Islam is a middle way. In Islam, neither eye for an eye nor turning the other cheek is a must in every case. These are two extremes. There is a middle way too in Islam. Do you know the middle way?
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You are putting your own spin to it when you add 'to stop the same violence in future'.
The main purpose of an eye for an eye is to seek revenge, retribution and not as a deterrent.
Middle Way?
2:143 is often touted as Islam representing the middle way but that [middle nation] is not middle way but a middle location.
17:110 may be more appropriate to imply the middle way.
17:110 [part] And thou (Muhammad), be not loud voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between.
I don't sense Islam is serious enough to claim itself as a Middle-Way.
For Islam is 'My Way or the Highway to Hell'.
The religion that is truly the Middle-Way is Buddhism which explicitly claim itself to be the Middle-Way and support it with extensive doctrine to explain it.
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Man was created (a) in God's image and (b) as His viceroy, khalif and deputy on earth. If God is compassionate then why should a human being not be compassionate when he has been given the potential to be compassionate?
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Man was created to worship Allah.
Only Adam and some specific humans were created to be viceroy, messengers and prophets.
If you have read the Quran more than 50 times, the net resultant is Allah is not a compassionate God with all the tons of condemnations against the infidels.
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IF a silly little human can be so violent, despite God giving him warnings not to do evil even though he has the ability and potential to be compassionate, then one of the ways to stop his violence is to give him taste of his own medicine. Please note that this is not the only way to stop him. Yes, God is not always compassionate but can be very tough and strong in administering man's own medicine in order to let him taste the fruits of his own works. I say, why not? What has man done to deserve compassion from God all the time?
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All humans has the potential to be evil but only SOME humans has the endowed potential to be compassionate.
If God is supposed to be all powerful, he could have created all humans to be peaceful regardless of whatever is the situations. Fact is God do not exists thus humans are left to be natural and 20% are evil prone.
The fact is humans are evolving to be better humans. This is proven by the improvements of humans since the last 500 years to now. At present there is a banned on slavery [this is not banned by religion]. Humanity is improving in many aspects without any help from God, e.g. racism, lesser wars, lesser barbaric practices [still in Islam], co-operation in Space exploration, global warming, super advances in Science and technology [no God involved] etc.
What is needed is for humanity to progress more expeditiously and accelerate greater improvements [no need for the help of any God - an impediment to progress actually].
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These "barbaric methods" are not the creation of God but of humans. They should not get involved in such methods but be in the image of God who they expect to be compassionate.
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It is obvious the 'barbaric methods" are in the Quran, e.g. flogging for adultery, eye for an eye, marrying 4 wives, marry adopted son's wife, condoning of fighting and killing, ransom, etc.
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Do you understand what I meant by "rules of engagement"? There are not only rules of engagement but limits set a well in the Qur'an such as eye for an eye but not two eyes for one eye.
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Regardless of your meaning, war in fundamentally the most immoral thing and should never be included in the holy text of any religion.
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They are not "naturally" born to perceive only duck. They are naturally born to understand your rabbit as well. Most of them see none.
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You are mixing all the they in one basket.
Out of 100% humans, 80% are naturally born to perceive 'Rabbits' and 20% -Ducks.
It is like being born color blind, there is no cure at present to cure them.
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I am not going to buy such a silly idea. It is neither their birth defect nor the influence of the Qur'an but several other factors that you haven't a clue about.
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It is not a birth defect in this case. It is just a percentage are born that way, like being born short or tall.
Obviously there are many other factors, but what I have presented are the CRITICAL factors.
Efficient problem solving entail focusing more on the critical factors.
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That won't lead you to the solution. The root cause is somewhere else.
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This is your typical response because of your natural blindness to the fact in such a situation.
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There are many who not only blame such "evil prone" but all Muslims. Once you begin to blame the Qur'an, you blame all Muslims for following the guidance in it. Others just blame Muslims regardless.
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Not me.
Blaming Hitler and the main kempf did not mean blaming ALL Germans.
I accept there are other who will blame ALL Muslims but I do not agree with them and generalization is bad logic. They should be educated to the correct thinking on this.
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True Muslims will respect the human laws whether in a Muslim country or in another country. I have always respected the laws of the country I have been living in. For this reason, true Muslims are a step in front of those who say, we have nothing to do with Shariah law.
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Good human beings will respect good laws wherever they are.
I agree you [Quran-Only] are a better Muslim, i.e. has higher Muslim_ness than those who cling to Shariah Law as if like no tomorrow.
A truer Muslims is one with a higher degree of Muslim_ness who had complied in greater degree with the words of Allah in the Quran.
Whether a truer Muslim is a better and progressive human being is debatable.
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And if they have disobeyed God? Suicide is unpardonable sin in Islam.
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Obviously if they have disobeyed God's words, then they have committed sins and will be punished accordingly.
For those who sacrifice themselves for martyrdom, they are acting in accordance to the words of Allah, so there is no question of suicide in this case.
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The only threat to Muslims and Islam whilst the Qur'an was being revealed was from Meccans who were waging wars on Muslims because of their religion. Once that threat was no more, there was no more threat from anyone else. Muhammad did ask the Meccans as to what they expect from him, and they asked for forgiveness. So he forgave them instead of killing them. So if no threat of extinction, no killings.
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This is only an opinion of yours.
One of the principle of threat is all potential threats must be nipped in the bud before it get too late. This is a natural response of SOME evil prone Muslims.
Many Muslims [from the pool of 300 million evil prone] view the activities of non-Muslims in Islamic land and elsewhere as a threat [warning from Allah in the Quran] and they response to it accordingly [as condoned in the Quran].
The average IQ of humanity is say [a guess] 100 at present. The average wisdom quotient [WQ] is say 50. When the average IQ and WQ increase to 200 and 120 in say 100 years time, it will definitely be a threat to Islam and all other religions. This is a potential to be factual.
This is why Boko Haram and Taliban are against good human education and view it as a threat. They intuitively know the barbaric elements of in the Quran and Ahadith cannot cope with the advancement of facts.