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Old 06-11-2016, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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65:4 And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

and [also for] those who have not menstruated.

They have not menstruated because they are little children.

We are NOT talking about pregnancy! That is covered but does not apply to this:

and [also for] those who have not menstruated.

This applies to divorcing a child who HAS NOT YET MENSTRUATED.

Let's review:

65:4

1. And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, (women in peri and post menopause)

and

2. [also for] those who have not menstruated. (children who have not had a period yet)

And

3. for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease. (pregnant women)
The entire Surah is about Divorce and primarily the conditions under which a man can not divorce his wife/ Ayyat 4 Reads:



Where do you get the assumption it means girls who are too young to have periods. There would be no reason to assume they might be pregnant and no need for them to waii 3 months to remarry as they are not pregnant

(Using 3 translations.)

Now as for such of your women as are beyond, the age of monthly courses, as well as for such as do not have any courses, [10] their waiting-period - if you have any doubt [about it] - shall be three [calendar] months; and as for those who are with child, the end of their waiting-term shall come when they deliver their burden. And for everyone who is conscious of God, He makes it easy to obey His commandment: [11] - 65:4 (Asad)

Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. - 65:4 (Y. Ali)

And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him. - 65:4 (Picktall)

If you do not try to bend it to meet your definition you should be able to ascertain that a woman not having periods is assumed pregnant, unless there are no further indication for 3 months.

 
Old 06-11-2016, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Where in the Qur'an is there any justification for a Man to have Sexual relations with an immature girl?
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
65:4 And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

This is about divorcing.
This verse is about married WOMEN, and not babies or immature girls. Whether they are not sure that they are going to have another period or they are not having any more periods due to old age, the waiting period is the same unless a divorced woman is pregnant. The Islam haters read the translation and twist it to say that it is mention of immature girls before they have menstruation.

Quote:
Also, this:

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah." (Qur'an 33:21)
This verse has nothing to do with marriage but with example of "hope in Allah and the Last Day". If it had been to do with marriage, it would be more than 4 wives at any one time for all, due to "following the example".

Anymore bright ideas from Islam hating sites?
 
Old 06-11-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Maybe it should be named for two paths: Islam The Destroyers and their supporters and Islam the Peaceful and their supporters.

Because it splits.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Maybe it should be named for two paths: Islam The Destroyers and their supporters and Islam the Peaceful and their supporters.

Because it splits.
I agree there are some who believe Islam condones and spreads violence. but, it is also true that most Muslim Terrorists are not very religious, have had very little Islamic teaching and virtualy no knowledge of the Qur'an.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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I agree there are some who believe Islam condones and spreads violence. but, it is also true that most Muslim Terrorists are not very religious, have had very little Islamic teaching and virtualy no knowledge of the Qur'an.
Hogwash!

"Mali: Muslims screaming “Allahu akbar” take hostages, free those who can recite Qur’an
NOVEMBER 20, 2015 7:53 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

We have seen this before on several occasions in Kenya. In September 2013 at Nairobi’s Westgate Mall, Muslims murdered people who couldn’t answer questions about Islam. In June 2014, Muslims murdered people who could not pass an Islam quiz. In November 2014, Muslims murdered 28 non-Muslims who couldn’t recite Qur’an verses. In April 2015, Muslims screaming “Allahu akbar” stormed Garissa University College, and only shot those who couldn’t recite Qur’an."
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/m...n-recite-quran

Suicide bombers follow Quran, concludes Pentagon briefing
Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find terrorists ‘rational actors’ following ‘holy book’
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With suicide bombings spreading from Iraq to Afghanistan, the Pentagon has tasked intelligence analysts to pinpoint what’s driving Muslim after Muslim to do the unthinkable.
Their preliminary finding is politically explosive: it’s their “holy book” the Quran after all, according to intelligence briefings obtained by WND.
In public, the U.S. government has made an effort to avoid linking the terrorist threat to Islam and the Quran while dismissing suicide terrorists as crazed heretics who pervert Islamic teachings.
“The terrorists distort the idea of jihad into a call for violence and murder,” the White House maintains in its recently released “National Strategy for Combating Terrorism” report.
But internal Pentagon briefings show intelligence analysts have reached a wholly different conclusion after studying Islamic scripture and the backgrounds of suicide terrorists. They’ve found that most Muslim suicide bombers are in fact students of the Quran who are motivated by its violent commands – making them, as strange as it sounds to the West, “rational actors” on the Islamic stage.
Suicide bombers follow Quran, concludes Pentagon briefing | Berean Publishers

"Now, all those who got up on that witness stand and that podium related to us — to me — I was listening — the suffering that was and the hardship that still is, with strength and with patience and with dignity. Now, Allah says in the Qur’an that no soul is burdened with more than it can bear, and you told us just how unbearable it was, how horrendous it was, this thing I put you through."

Which terrorist said that?
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: Transcript of the Boston Bomber's Statement

When it was revealed that the Boston Marathon bombers attended a Cambridge, Mass., mosque, its leaders were quick to disavow their actions.

Elder brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s ideology was not their own, the leaders of the Islamic Society mosque claimed. In fact, he was admonished for an extremist outburst he made during one sermon.

So, one crackpot in a congregation. Who can blame the mosque?

But what about eight — including a prominent member of ISIS?

As it turns out, worshippers at the Islamic Society have included:

 Abdurahman Alamoudi, the mosque’s founder and first president, who in 2004 was sentenced to 23 years in prison for plotting terrorism. In 2005, the Treasury Department issued a statement saying Alamoudi raised money for al Qaeda in the US.
 Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT scientist-turned-al Qaeda agent, who in 2010 was sentenced to 86 years in prison for planning a New York chemical attack. Known as “Lady al Qaeda,” she is related to 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. ISIS has tried to trade her release for journalist hostages.
 Tarek Mehanna, who in 2012 got 17 years in prison for conspiring to use automatic weapons to murder shoppers in a suburban Boston mall.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a mosque trustee and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood leader banned from the US after issuing a fatwa that called for the killing of US soldiers.
Jamal Badawi, another former trustee who in 2007 was named an unindicted co-conspirator in a plan to funnel more than $12 million to Palestinian suicide bombers.
Now it can be revealed that another regular worshipper at the Islamic Society mosque was Ahmad Abousamra, who is now the top propagandist for ISIS.

Abousamra’s father, a prominent doctor, even sat on the board of directors of the Muslim organization that runs the mosque. He stepped down after the FBI began questioning his son.

The FBI suspects Abousamra now operates ISIS’s sophisticated media wing promoting the group’s beheadings and other atrocities through slick videos posted on the Internet. The brutally effective English-language propaganda campaign has helped attract thousands of Western jihadists, including at least 300 Americans.

The FBI says Abousamra, 32, traveled to Pakistan and Yemen to train to kill Americans while enrolled at Boston colleges. He justified murdering civilians because “they paid taxes to support the government and were kufar [nonbelievers],” Boston FBI Agent Andrew Nambu testified in an affidavit.

Another agent, Heidi Williams, says Abousamra, who has a $50,000 bounty on his head, was inspired by the 9/11 attacks and, in fact, “celebrated it.”

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An Islamic State militant about to behead journalist James Foley.Photo: Reuters
A federal indictment says he even plotted to randomly gun down shoppers, then emergency responders, in a Boston mall. But when he couldn’t obtain the automatic weapons for the attack, he abandoned the plan and moved to Syria, where he could enter Iraq and kill US soldiers as part of “violent jihad.”

And on and on.

Boston bombers’ mosque tied to ISIS | New York Post

And this:
A recent two-page spread in the third issue of ISIL’s propaganda magazine, Dabiq, for instance, appealed to prospective recruits to leave their homeland and emigrate to the Islamic State by quoting a hadith from the canonical collections; it urged them to realize that they are living in times that reflect those of the earliest Muslims by referring to Muhammad’s life; it encouraged them to take a step of faith by quoting the Quran; and it praised them for their obedience by quoting yet another hadith. All four references to the Quran, hadith and the related Sunnah, were on the same two-page spread. Such is the frequency and intensity with which ISIL uses Islam's foundational texts to appeal to potential recruits.

The Quran's deadly role in inspiring Belgian slaughter: Column
 
Old 06-11-2016, 05:56 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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This is not the forum for discussion of violent extremists who claim to follow Islam. Being a sub-forum of the Religion & Spirituality forum, it is obvious that this forum exists to discuss the religion of Islam. Several of you have been directly warned to stop trying to hijack the forum to disparage the Muslims of the world.
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