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Old 11-11-2008, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Originally Posted by JohnJLethal View Post
I responded to you and Moonsun in this post:

"Sorry folks, it's the same as the Old Testament. The overall documents are filled with self-appointed violence and elitism based on support from a god. The books are filled with insecurity, domination of women who are not treated equally, intolerance of homosexuals, instances of slavery, conversion to their respective religions at the point of a scimitar, etc.

We have seen this acted out throughout history, and even now. Religion is a source of conflict and war. For all the comfort it provides the adherent, based on an imaginary god, the world is not better off for it. At the very least, fundamentalists are woefully ignorant of science and facts. At the very worst, victims fall dead at the end of swords or exploding bombs."

This sums up your defense:

Me: [Surah 2:191] Kill them [non-Muslims] wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you

You: Drive them out of the places from which they drove you… do you find that unfair ? !!!

Notice how you ignored Kill them, non-Muslims, wherever you find them.

Kill them..who is them? Children? Women? Non-Muslims...Hitler did something to non-Aryans (according to his definition). Wherever you find them...all over? Or just the places they drove you? And who was there first?

Your defense of the Koran is similar to Christian defenses of the Old Testament where all atrocities are explained away to translation, improper context, or God's holy will. Meanwhile, there are centuries of bloody history attributed to Islam, Christianity and Judaism. The root of the problem are the "holy" books and the evil (with some good mixed in) that is written.
You did not read the very verse before this verse

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

No comment!!!!

Read the whole verses again

Holy Qur'an Chapter 2:

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

195. And spend of your substance in the cause of God, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for God loveth those who do good.


No comment again!!!!

Just read before making false claims
(no offence)

Last edited by mahmoud mrt; 11-11-2008 at 05:19 AM..
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: egypt
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You did not read the very verse before this verse

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

No comment!!!!

Read the whole verses again

Holy Qur'an Chapter 2:

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

195. And spend of your substance in the cause of God, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for God loveth those who do good.


No comment again!!!!

Just read before making false claims
(no offence)
wellcome back , mahmoud
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:55 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mahmoud mrt View Post
You did not read the very verse before this verse

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

No comment!!!!

Read the whole verses again

Holy Qur'an Chapter 2:

190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

195. And spend of your substance in the cause of God, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for God loveth those who do good.


No comment again!!!!

Just read before making false claims
(no offence)
It matters not what nice messages are interwoven with "kill! kill! kill!"

Perhaps a religion with "love! love! love!" would be more suitable. And when you find one, (and one that is scientifically accurate) let me know.
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:02 AM
 
Location: egypt
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It matters not what nice messages are interwoven with "kill! kill! kill!"

Perhaps a religion with "love! love! love!" would be more suitable. And when you find one, (and one that is scientifically accurate) let me know.
who told you that islam relegion dosn't have love , love, love ?
the problem is that you focused on the verses with kill , kill ,kill which cover almost 1 % of entire quran , may be less !

if you wanna love , love , love regarding to enemies in the battle field
heck , that is logically and scientifically impossible, our relegion deals with logic and facts not with dreams

Last edited by elwill; 11-12-2008 at 03:11 AM..
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Old 11-12-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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Allah akbar he is not limited by one religion but is of all things
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Old 11-13-2008, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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wellcome back , mahmoud
Welcome to you bro,
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Old 11-13-2008, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Islam main focus is to worship God the one the only one and not add to this belief any pagan beliefs.

It tells the person what his child born human nature truly feels.

As for scientific signs they are many as i posted many times, they are already listed in many site.

You have the right to take or leave it of course.


Commission on Scientific Signs

Dr. Zaghloul El-Naggar




Peace
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Old 11-13-2008, 04:49 PM
 
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Peter Daou: 13-Year-Old Somali Rape Victim Stoned to Death in Front of 1000 Spectators

original story: http://www.undispatch.com/archives/2008/11/somali_girl_rap.php (broken link)

They woudnt have done this if it werent advised in the Qur'an. What do religious leaders say when they speak to villages such as this one?
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:52 PM
 
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It matters not what nice messages are interwoven with "kill! kill! kill!"

Perhaps a religion with "love! love! love!" would be more suitable. And when you find one, (and one that is scientifically accurate) let me know.

The Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessing be upon him) observed:

You shall not enter Paradise so long as you do not affirm belief (in all those things which are the articles of faith)

and you will not believe as long as you do not love one another.

Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love
amongst you: (i. e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) as-salamu alaikum.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:40 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Peter Daou: 13-Year-Old Somali Rape Victim Stoned to Death in Front of 1000 Spectators

original story: Somali Girl Raped and Stoned to Death (http://www.undispatch.com/archives/2008/11/somali_girl_rap.php - broken link)

They woudnt have done this if it werent advised in the Qur'an. What do religious leaders say when they speak to villages such as this one?
it's not islamic action
but if you find any verse from quran justify it , inform me
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