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Old 04-14-2009, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I've always been very critical of Saudi Arabia and their treatment of women. Here's a link that describes how a man who was in debt to another man literally sold his daughter to wipe out that debt.
I find it so irritating that American politicians are so reluctant to criticize Saudi Arabia due to it's status as the largest producer of oil in the world and it's pro-western political policies. There's no modern western nation that would even consider allowing such an injustice and yet I have no doubt that this and other violations of women and children are going to be ignored by America and everybody else. It says in the article that the Muslim chief cleric in Saudi Arabia supports this sort of thing. I'm curious what any Muslims on the forum might think of it.
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Old 04-14-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I'm not an adherent of Islam, nor do I think Saudi Arabia has much of a record when it comes to the treatment of women. However, at the same time, I realize that I look at things this way as an American. And I recognize the sovereignty of other nations. The fact is, what goes on in Saudi courts is none of our business (in the same way as no Saudi has a right to criticize what happens here in the United States).
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:15 PM
 
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While at a personal level most in the US abhor such incidents, at a governmental level not much is done anyway. In fact, multiple US administrations have propped up the kingdom for decades in the interest of oil. Some other allies are not too different - we know about the Taliban in Afghanistan. Here is today's news about our ally Pakistan: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/wo...ef=global-home

and some other recent news
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban 'kill love affair couple'

Flogging video shakes Pakistan peace accord | World Latest | guardian.co.uk

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Old 04-15-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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The fact is, what goes on in Saudi courts is none of our business (in the same way as no Saudi has a right to criticize what happens here in the United States).
I see this as a human rights issue that all nations should condemn. We're talking about selling people as though they're property. I also have no problem when other nations criticize the United States when we do something that's wrong.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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The act is worth to be condemned. But this country operates in Sharia Law, I suppose? Somebody, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Having said that, why is it so difficult to respect the internal law system of another country?

NATO is supposedly in control of Afghanistan. I see they have enhanced the treatment of women to a whole new level.

Get over it, guys. Saudi law is here to stay.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Actually, even though the U.S. buys oil from them, after 9/11 the criticism of them has stepped up.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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I've always been very critical of Saudi Arabia and their treatment of women. Here's a link that describes how a man who was in debt to another man literally sold his daughter to wipe out that debt.

I find it so irritating that American politicians are so reluctant to criticize Saudi Arabia due to it's status as the largest producer of oil in the world and it's pro-western political policies. There's no modern western nation that would even consider allowing such an injustice and yet I have no doubt that this and other violations of women and children are going to be ignored by America and everybody else. It says in the article that the Muslim chief cleric in Saudi Arabia supports this sort of thing. I'm curious what any Muslims on the forum might think of it.

but it's such a beautiful, peaceful religion!
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:17 PM
 
Location: egypt
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I've always been very critical of Saudi Arabia and their treatment of women. Here's a link that describes how a man who was in debt to another man literally sold his daughter to wipe out that debt.

I find it so irritating that American politicians are so reluctant to criticize Saudi Arabia due to it's status as the largest producer of oil in the world and it's pro-western political policies. There's no modern western nation that would even consider allowing such an injustice and yet I have no doubt that this and other violations of women and children are going to be ignored by America and everybody else. It says in the article that the Muslim chief cleric in Saudi Arabia supports this sort of thing. I'm curious what any Muslims on the forum might think of it.

i condemn it
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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i condemn it
Thanks elwill, I was hoping that would be your position. You seem like a very reasonable person.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: southern california
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this stuff astounds me. why do we sit in judgment of the mideast and yet in our own urban cities 8 year old girls are fornicating all the time.
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